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Re:IoT Growing Faster Than the Ability to Defend It by jasonkostempski on Sunday October 30, 2016 @03:59PM (#12831900)
The solution is simpler and doesn't involve giving more power to idiots: don't buy shit.
Re:IoT Growing Faster Than the Ability to Defend It by vkou on Sunday October 30, 2016 @04:11PM (#12831963)
I didn't buy any Internet of Shit products.

Unfortunately, my neighbour did, and now his toaster is used as part of a DDOS attack against a critical piece of internet infrastructure.

How does your solution help?

Re:IoT Growing Faster Than the Ability to Defend It by subway on Sunday October 30, 2016 @04:35PM (#12832095)
I dont think there is a legal solution. The pragmatic solution is to own, then secure or disable your neighbor's insecure toaster.
Re:IoT Growing Faster Than the Ability to Defend It by jjawssd on Sunday October 30, 2016 @04:22PM (#12832021)
This is an amazing problem. There is simply no solution because most people don't care!
Re:IoT Growing Faster Than the Ability to Defend It by TeMPOraL on Sunday October 30, 2016 @07:49PM (#12833261)
There is a solution, and it's called "government" and "law". No, really. We've been dealing with people who don't care from the very dawn of civilization. There's a reason societies always end up creating governments and regulations, and it's precisely that reason.
Re:IoT Growing Faster Than the Ability to Defend It by icebraining on Sunday October 30, 2016 @06:12PM (#12832697)
Well, the owner of the Internet infrastructure could sue your neighbor. They'd learn to pay attention to that pretty quickly!
Re:IoT Growing Faster Than the Ability to Defend It by vkou on Monday October 31, 2016 @02:15AM (#12834629)
And they could sue the manufacturer, for selling them a device not fit for use? Exactly how much would each party sue the other for? The damage only takes place in aggregate, when hundreds of thousands of devices become part of a botnet.

Or, how about instead of drowning in lawsuit chains over pennies, we establish some basic rules about how commercial devices connected to the internet are allowed to behave.

That's how this problem is solved by every other industry that manufactures devices that are dangerous when used correctly. Software isn't a special snowflake.

Re:IoT Growing Faster Than the Ability to Defend It by icebraining on Monday October 31, 2016 @05:38AM (#12835357)
The proposal was mostly tongue-in-cheek. That said, I'm not sure the problem is solved in other industries - there's been plenty of unsafe electrical devices being sold to western markets, for example. It's just hard to police this stuff.
Re:IoT Growing Faster Than the Ability to Defend It by ams6110 on Sunday October 30, 2016 @07:19PM (#12833124)
Fine your neighbor, just as if he drove a shit unsafe car on the public roads and caused damage.
Re:IoT Growing Faster Than the Ability to Defend It by vkou on Monday October 31, 2016 @02:16AM (#12834634)
If the car was unsafe by design, the manufacturer would be fined.
Re:IoT Growing Faster Than the Ability to Defend It by paulddraper on Sunday October 30, 2016 @04:49PM (#12832179)
Distribute your critical piece of infrastructure, blacklist IP addresses, etc.
Re:IoT Growing Faster Than the Ability to Defend It by TeMPOraL on Sunday October 30, 2016 @07:47PM (#12833256)
This solution depends on people following it voluntarily, which means it's a bad solution because people don't work like that at scale. Want to coordinate people? You need to change incentives - either encourage them to not buy shit, or discourage them from buying it. The way it's usually done is by fining people selling shit, fining people using shit to do damage, and fining people creating shit so that shit doesn't get created. Ergo, government solution. It should work for IoT just like it works for every appliance you use at home that could technically burn your house down, but somehow it doesn't.
Re:IoT Growing Faster Than the Ability to Defend It by user5994461 on Sunday October 30, 2016 @07:17PM (#12833112)
That's a viable solution. Except that it relies on an implicit: The end user must be able to identify the shit devices.

We could help that right away, by bricking all the vulnerable IoT devices. The media will then inform of what manufacturers and models were affected :D