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Re:MacBook Pro by wkirby on Thursday October 27, 2016 @03:09PM (#12808591)
What I wanted:

- 7th generation Intel chips. Skylake (6th generation) is from August 2015.

- A move to Nvidia GPUs

- Retain the magsafe power adapter

- At least one dedicated display-out port, preferably HDMI

- 32GB RAM for the 15 inch base model

- Support for the airpods using their new W1 chip

What I'm mad they included:

- Price increase for low value

- Touch Bar does away with physical keys I use daily (most importantly escape), while providing very little functionality I see using in my daily workflows (auto-complete on a desktop? I type faster than that.)

What they could have surprised me with:

- A full touch screen

- Support for the Apple Pencil on the new larger trackpad

- Any mention of their desktop lineup

Re:MacBook Pro by masklinn on Thursday October 27, 2016 @03:28PM (#12808856)
> - 7th generation Intel chips. Skylake (6th generation) is from August 2015.

Nonsense, 45W Skylake are from April-May, 45W Kaby is not expected until February-March.

edit: oh I just remembered they didn't use Iris Pro parts in the 15" so you are correct that these are 2015 parts. The corresponding KL parts still aren't out though.

Re:MacBook Pro by grennis on Thursday October 27, 2016 @06:25PM (#12810868)
Razer blade uses kaby lake available now
Re:MacBook Pro by anzuli on Thursday October 27, 2016 @10:28PM (#12812547)
While you are correct, the Kabylake processor that the Razer Blade uses is a low power 15W TDP chip. By nature this means that it is still slower than the range of 28W TDP Skylake processors the new 13" MacBook Pro family is receiving in this update. The 28W TDP variants of the Kabylake family is not yet available from Intel.

Sources: http://ark.intel.com/products/95443/Intel-Core-i5-7200U-Proc... http://ark.intel.com/products/91164/Intel-Core-i5-6287U-Proc...

Re:MacBook Pro by ropiku on Thursday October 27, 2016 @03:56PM (#12809229)
> - Support for the airpods using their new W1 chip

AirPods work over Bluetooth 4.0 so of course they work. The iCloud pairing is software, included in Sierra.

Re:MacBook Pro by wkirby on Friday October 28, 2016 @12:48AM (#12813174)
The AirPods are Bluetooth, but I was under the impression that the improved pairing and battery life technology relied on the source also featuring the W1 chip. After looking into it, an article[^1] from 9to5mac implies otherwise. If that's the case, we can strike this complaint from the list.

1. https://9to5mac.com/2016/09/12/apple-w1-chip-how-it-works/

Re:MacBook Pro by J0-nas on Thursday October 27, 2016 @03:32PM (#12808920)
Couldn't have said it any better. Though I read somewhere that there apparently is a good reason to go for Skylake now and do a bump next summer.

Here is to hoping the last gen will experience a price drop by non-apple retailers. Keeping the same price is just shameless. I feel like they could decrease the price without any problem but also know that many people prefer the old version and want to milk their money.

Re:MacBook Pro by FireBeyond on Thursday October 27, 2016 @04:25PM (#12809627)
This is a company that still charges you $1200 to upgrade your Mac Pro from 16 to 64GB of RAM...
Re:MacBook Pro by Clubber on Thursday October 27, 2016 @05:45PM (#12810543)
But their memory is magical.
Re:MacBook Pro by dexterdog on Thursday October 27, 2016 @06:00PM (#12810677)
And courageous
Re:MacBook Pro by josu on Thursday October 27, 2016 @04:55PM (#12810016)
>32GB RAM

Everybody asking for more RAM, what do you use it for? I have 8GB and they never seem to become a bottleneck.

Re:MacBook Pro by pmontra on Thursday October 27, 2016 @05:13PM (#12810229)
The usual culprits are virtual machines, large images, video editing. A little less common: big data, large matrices, scientific computing in general.

I never hit 16 GB on my laptop (I even disabled swap) but I got close once with three browsers open (I segregate some web apps into different browsers), a few VMs, some other random application running. It made me think if it was time to buy the extra 16 GB I can fit into my laptop. I just checked, it's about $100.

Re:MacBook Pro by josu on Thursday October 27, 2016 @06:17PM (#12810803)
I see. So this is also part of the cross-cutting problem everybody is mentioning here of Apple not catering to the pros.
Re:MacBook Pro by drunkenazi on Thursday October 27, 2016 @08:00PM (#12811592)
For sure, I regularly sit between 12-16GB used (mainly doing web development + docker work, large systems, many services), but frequently will be above that when running a lot inside of VMs.

You are also up against a loosing battle of programs using more RAM to do the same job. You get a better experience now, but you can also expect normal PC usage to result in big RAM usage.

Re:MacBook Pro by burntcookie90 on Thursday October 27, 2016 @05:20PM (#12810290)
Running one instance of Android Studio, a VM and like 3 chrome tabs is enough to blow 8gb out. We need 16GB min with a 32GB option in pro laptop
Re:MacBook Pro by wkirby on Friday October 28, 2016 @12:57AM (#12813205)
On the average work day I've got 4 VMs running at any given time, eating up 6-8 GB of RAM. Put Chrome, my IDE, etc, and it's definitely relevant.

My real complaint here, though, is that besides the GPU and CPU, this is essentially the same specs as my 2013 MBP. I'm not going to drop $3.6k for an incremental upgrade.

Re:MacBook Pro by Tinyyy on Thursday October 27, 2016 @03:39PM (#12809010)
Would a full touch screen provide functionality for your daily workflows? I think the touch bar has more potential uses, no?
Re:MacBook Pro by wkirby on Thursday October 27, 2016 @03:55PM (#12809208)
Not at all. To me the touch bar is mostly a gimmick that removes tactile feedback from some commonly used keys --- most importantly escape. What the full touch screen offers, by comparison, is all the same potential functionality, in a place my eyes are already looking. On top of that, stylus support becomes an instant reality.

Now, in my daily workflow it's unlikely that I reach up and tap my screen very often (I'm usually in a text editor), but I'll bet you dollars to donuts that if you ask anyone with a full touch-screen laptop if they'd trade their touch screen for the touch bar, they'd laugh in your face.

Re:MacBook Pro by make3 on Thursday October 27, 2016 @04:50PM (#12809951)
They used to have Nvidia gpus as an option (mine is, from 2014). Soo.. looks like they are staying away from Nvidia now
Re:MacBook Pro by SysArchitect on Thursday October 27, 2016 @05:18PM (#12810272)
They tend to tick-tock between Nvidia and AMD. Although this update is once again an AMD (Mid 2015 is AMD as well).

My late 2013 was Nvidia.

Re:MacBook Pro by masklinn on Thursday October 27, 2016 @05:53PM (#12810609)
> They tend to tick-tock between Nvidia and AMD

I'm not sure "tick tock" is the right word. The MBP used AMD in 2006, NVidia from 2007 to 2010, AMD in 2011, NVidia from 2012 to 2014, and 2015 is AMD. It's actually a break in the pattern for them to use AMD chips two years in a row.

Re:MacBook Pro by wkirby on Friday October 28, 2016 @12:55AM (#12813195)
My understanding was this generation of nvidia GPUs is a pretty solid step above the AMD offering.
Re:MacBook Pro by milosonator on Friday October 28, 2016 @07:30AM (#12814811)
They are using AMD's latest polaris generation GPU's which are $/perf/W on par with Nvidia, just don't have any super-high end offerings (GTX 1070 and GTX 1080 are unrivaled)
Re:MacBook Pro by masklinn on Thursday October 27, 2016 @05:50PM (#12810583)
> They used to have Nvidia gpus as an option (mine is, from 2014).

And the laptops tended to die because of that (mine is, from 2010)