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Re:Open Salaries: Outcomes by herge on Thursday October 27, 2016 @12:02PM (#12806248)
Really? A lot of governments are one of the few employers with more than 100k+ employees, and have a lot of open salaries for civil servants.
Re:Open Salaries: Outcomes by lucaspiller on Thursday October 27, 2016 @12:17PM (#12806413)
I'm currently working for a UN-agency (as a contractor) and the salaries for staff are fixed based upon your job level and number of years of service, so basically everyone knows what everyone else gets:

http://icsc.un.org/resources/sad/ss/sal201201.pdf

A senior developer is usually P-3 or P-4. It may seem on the low side compared to market rates if you in New York or Geneva - but bear in mind they don't need to pay taxes and get quite a lot of other benefits.

Edit:

This site has more details on the salaries, benefits and theory behind it:

http://www.un.org/Depts/OHRM/salaries_allowances/index.html

Re:Open Salaries: Outcomes by co_dh on Thursday October 27, 2016 @12:26PM (#12806524)
First, are you sure that everybody is paid according to that table? Or it's just a guide line? Secondly, if it's true, then the salary is not related to performance, and I would image people just stay there, the longer the higher salary.
Re:Open Salaries: Outcomes by takingflac on Thursday October 27, 2016 @12:50PM (#12806761)
This sums up most government jobs. Also, the job security is an added bonus. When was the last time you heard of the government having a mass layoff?
Re:Open Salaries: Outcomes by TeMPOraL on Thursday October 27, 2016 @01:49PM (#12807401)
Re:Open Salaries: Outcomes by takingflac on Thursday October 27, 2016 @02:42PM (#12808127)
How many people were actually fired or laid off from this? There was a bit of a kerfuffle with temporary unpaid leave and some people working without pay for a bit(they got back pay latter) but nobody lost their job.
Re:Open Salaries: Outcomes by matwood on Thursday October 27, 2016 @04:52PM (#12809975)
Most (all?) government jobs are like this. My wife is a GS something step something else (I would say, but I can never remember). You can find the public matrix and COLA adjustment based on location and know her exact salary. This is true for all federal employees that I know of.

Performance is how you move up GS and step levels.

Re:Open Salaries: Outcomes by jonasty on Thursday October 27, 2016 @12:11PM (#12806351)
Correct me if I'm wrong but aren't government positions paid the same across the board? Financial compensation is companies (particularly in tech) isn't standard across the board for a particular position, each employee can garner a different salary.

There's a complex social dynamic related to that feature in companies.

Re:Open Salaries: Outcomes by monocasa on Thursday October 27, 2016 @12:28PM (#12806546)
No, there's flexibility in the general schedule system. It both goes from $18K to $133K, and includes cost of living adjustments.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Schedule_(US_civil_ser...

Re:Open Salaries: Outcomes by jermaustin1 on Thursday October 27, 2016 @01:09PM (#12806975)
Just looked at the Locality Adjustments, and as a person who has/does live(d) in NYC and Houston, TX, for them to have pretty much the exact same adjustment doesn't make ANY sense.

My rent in Houston was $1100/mo for a 2 bed, 2 bath 1200 sqft luxury apartment in a nice development with hiking and biking trails. My rent in NYC for a 1 bed, 1 bath, 600sqft luxury apartment in a nice building with a doorman every other day (idk why) is $2300. More than 4 times the price per sqft.

Every day staples are 20-100% higher in NYC than Houston. Car insurance is almost triple. Parking which used to be free and assigned is now in a garage and $200-400/mo depending on where you are (thankfully mine is in the rent).

I think the government needs to re-evaluate their adjustments.

Re:Open Salaries: Outcomes by Casseres on Thursday October 27, 2016 @03:18PM (#12808722)
Locality ≠ COLA (Cost of Living Adjustment)

Locality is to make a job's salary competitive with other job salaries in the local market, whereas COLA is exactly what it sounds like.

Houston has a high locality rate because of all the high-paying jobs there that one could potentially get instead of the govt job.

I work for the govt and receive both locality and COLA, albeit the COLA is way too low in my opinion (Honolulu).

Re:Open Salaries: Outcomes by scrapcode on Thursday October 27, 2016 @01:32PM (#12807220)
You also have GL (for law enforcement), WS (Wage Scale), WG (Wage Grade), and for contractors the Davis Bacon Act. They all also change depending on locality. I don't know what all goes into determining locality pay, but I can say with certainty it's not just the cost of living in the area.

In the WS scale the 3 highest paid is in KS, MI, and Atlanta. I think they consider what other positions in the same kind of fields are paying for the area.

Re:Open Salaries: Outcomes by Animats on Thursday October 27, 2016 @01:44PM (#12807330)
Here's the US Government salary table for GS-schedule employees.[1] Pre-Internet, this was available on a wallet-sized card.

[1] https://www.opm.gov/policy-data-oversight/pay-leave/salaries...

Re:Open Salaries: Outcomes by scrapcode on Thursday October 27, 2016 @12:06PM (#12806299)
True, but it seems like they have a system where everyone can share feedback on whether someone else gets a raise or not. That's certainly not the case in the US Govt.
Re:Open Salaries: Outcomes by lftl on Thursday October 27, 2016 @12:13PM (#12806368)
But don't most governments have pretty rigid definitions of what your salary will be based on role and experience? This open salary implementation seems to have a lot more wiggle room for change, variance and dispute than a typical governmental role.
Re:Open Salaries: Outcomes by coldcode on Thursday October 27, 2016 @08:55PM (#12811926)
Governments are not Fortune 50 companies.
Re:Open Salaries: Outcomes by ThePawnBreak on Thursday October 27, 2016 @12:42PM (#12806688)
And how's that working out for them?
Re:Open Salaries: Outcomes by mlinksva on Thursday October 27, 2016 @12:57PM (#12806842)
Pretty well? Seems to me there's a big problem in the public sector of extreme difficulty of terminating non- and even anti-performers, but that's orthogonal to relatively narrow and seniority-based compensation bands. But those are just my nth-hand impressions on both. Would love to read some good papers on either or both.