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Re:Linux Market Share on Desktop by dx034 on Thursday October 27, 2016 @09:44AM (#12805033)
May I ask what GUI you use? I really like using linux via terminal and prefer it over Windows in many cases. I try making it my main OS every 1-2 years, but always switch back to Windows. The GUIs that I tried just don't feel right. Last time I gave it 3 weeks of 8 hours/day, and I still couldn't use it as productively as Windows or MacOS (even though I'm not experienced in using the latter). The fonts and symbols alone make it harder for me to work with it.

Didn't you experience any problems with that? Now I'm back again running Windows and terminal sessions to linux machines (for testing/deployment). I wonder if it's just me who can't work with it, but I have the feeling that developing a functional and yet simple GUI is perhaps as hard as the kernel itself. And most linux machines are servers, so there's little incentive, while Microsoft and Apple have spent billions on developing this over the years.

Re:Linux Market Share on Desktop by bhouston on Thursday October 27, 2016 @09:54AM (#12805092)
> May I ask what GUI you use?

Stock Ubuntu for the most part. Sublime or atom as text editor. Kraken or Git Gui for source control GUI. Chrome/Chromium and Firefox for web browser. Very little else is really needed. Although I use Gimp, Blender, and Skype (which works poorly on Ubuntu unfortunately.)

Re:Linux Market Share on Desktop by Scarblac on Thursday October 27, 2016 @09:50AM (#12805068)
It probably depends on the kind of work you do. For most web development you need a browser, a development environment and a bunch of terminals. There's little difference between OSes there.

What kind of thing do you have trouble with under Linux?

Personally I find Windows very hard to use because there's no central way to update installed software on it.

Re:Linux Market Share on Desktop by dx034 on Thursday October 27, 2016 @11:24AM (#12805872)
Things like switching windows, working with multiple screens, having an overview what's open.

On the system side I love linux. Updating all software with one command is great, but isn't connected to the GUI. In fact, I find the Ubuntu software center so hard to use that I always revert back to the terminal to install/update software. And that's what I meant with my original post. I love the functionality that Linux offers, but for many day-to-day tasks having a GUI can make life easier. And that's where Linux always disappoints me.

Re:Linux Market Share on Desktop by tapoxi on Thursday October 27, 2016 @10:05AM (#12805178)
I was using Fedora for a few years as my full-time operating system, and being a heavy Mac user and occasional Windows user, I came to really love GNOME 3. (I'm back on OS X after switching jobs.)

GNOME has a javascript extension library at http://extensions.gnome.org/ to easily tweak it to your preference. It's also easily themable using CSS, I was using the ARC theme (https://github.com/horst3180/arc-theme)

Re:Linux Market Share on Desktop by boozelclark on Thursday October 27, 2016 @09:47AM (#12805049)
You could give elementary OS (https://elementary.io/) a try. Got a nice looking GUI but i'm not too sure how mature it is.
Re:Linux Market Share on Desktop by tehwalrus on Thursday October 27, 2016 @09:55AM (#12805099)
Sadly they focussed on the beautiful GUI above upgradability of the debs. It lags behind actual Ubuntu by at least one Long Term Release (possibly 2 by now if they still haven't upgraded from 2012) and I've found it a pain to work with beyond the initial "wow this is pretty for Linux".

(I actually ended up using XFCE and then AwesomeWM, so maybe I'm not the market for Elementary!)

EDIT: just checked and their newest release, Loki, is based on Ubuntu's 2016 LTS. I'll be taking another look at it this evening!

Re:Linux Market Share on Desktop by AdmiralAsshat on Thursday October 27, 2016 @10:35AM (#12805390)
eOS is something I would probably recommend to my mother or my girlfriend if I wanted to give them an easy "introduction" to Linux. But the designers made several decisions that seem hostile to power users (you can't even add your own PPAs in Loki by default), and for that reason I'm not sure I'd recommend it to developers. Which I can understand, I guess--I've mentioned my problems with it to the designers directly and have been more or less told by Daniel Fore that I am not their "target audience". So, okay, you can't please everyone.

The Pantheon desktop is beautiful, and it deserves all the praise it gets. I maintain hope that the eOS team will work on disentangling Pantheon from the rest of eOS once they finish stabilizing the core OS so that it can be ported to other distros. Ideally I'd eventually have Fedora running on my laptop with Pantheon strictly as the DE.

Re:Linux Market Share on Desktop by kek918 on Thursday October 27, 2016 @10:12AM (#12805229)
It's true, Windows and OSX are usually miles ahead of Linux in terms of the desktop GUI. But I absolutely love the simple beautiful UI in elementaryOS, it's a delight to work in. It is my primary OS on my laptop. I also has Windows 10 installed, but everything feels more instant in Linux. God knows what Windows does under the hood to make it that slow and unresponsive.

I installed the latest version (Loki) for a couple of months ago and except from 1 issue with "wobbling" mouse cursor (resolved by installing some xorg components) it works great.

I had some troubles with the previous version (Freia, I believe), more specifically the desktop manager would frequently hang. Luckily that haven't happened once in Loki.

All of the tools I use on my Windows box are availble for Linux as well: Netbeans, Jetbrains Pycharm, GitKraken, Chrome, Slack, Dropbox etc.

The only thing holding me back from switching primary OS on my desktop computer is gaming.

Re:Linux Market Share on Desktop by SunShiranui on Thursday October 27, 2016 @10:12AM (#12805226)
I use elementary OS Loki daily and am pretty satisfied with it. It has a few things that I'm not totally happy with, but it's my favourite OS right now.