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Re:Computing glitch may have doomed Mars lander by wwggggoi on Tuesday October 25, 2016 @08:40AM (#12787364)
this is something I never got: why don't they just chuck a whole bunch of cheap consumer gadgets on these things ? Is it really that hard to attach an array (for redundancy) of gopros to constantly transmit video at 60fps (and sound, even if Mars doesn't really propogate sound) ?
Re:Computing glitch may have doomed Mars lander by erikbye on Tuesday October 25, 2016 @09:07AM (#12787584)
Electronics to be used in space must be hardened against:

- radiation: electrons, protons, heavy ions (MOSFETs are very vulnerable)

- cold temperatures (up to -235 degree celsius)

- high temperatures (up to +250 celsius, and there's no air-cooling in space)

The performance of electronics vary greatly depending on radiation amount and type, and temperature. You can absolutely not throw consumer electronics (GoPro) in deep space and expect it to function.

Re:Computing glitch may have doomed Mars lander by wyldfire on Tuesday October 25, 2016 @08:47AM (#12787421)
Mostly because of mass. I think the cost of these probes scales with mass and adding those cheap gadgets would displace other scientific instruments. A 60fps camera might be interesting for entry but then it's mostly useless on the surface. And it would take a veeeeeery long time to transmit video (even if you downsampled in spatial and temporal resolution it's just not worth it).

As pointed out elsewhere in this thread, the consumer grade devices cannot withstand the extremes of space (not just temp extremes, also high energy rays/particles we're shielded from here).

Re:Computing glitch may have doomed Mars lander by Arnt on Tuesday October 25, 2016 @09:02AM (#12787560)
Yes. Space radiation doesn't kill 1% of gopros, it kills 99% of them (both numbers made up, but you get the point). Then there's the power budget. A watt is cheap here, not so cheap on Mars, so even what counts as "low power" on the surface of earth isn't cheap on Mars. And of course, n-item arrays need correspondingly more power than single items.

(I realise it's not your main point, but broadcasting 60fps video across the solar system sounds like it might need a LOT of power, no matter of sensitive the receiver is.)

Re:Computing glitch may have doomed Mars lander by lucozade on Tuesday October 25, 2016 @08:53AM (#12787484)
> why don't they just chuck a whole bunch of cheap consumer gadgets on these things

This [0] is an interesting read on some of the considerations for the Curiosity rover cameras.

[0] https://www.dpreview.com/articles/0353350380/curiosity-inter...

Re:Computing glitch may have doomed Mars lander by wwggggoi on Tuesday October 25, 2016 @04:25PM (#12791359)
great link thanks!
Re:Computing glitch may have doomed Mars lander by eriknstr on Tuesday October 25, 2016 @08:42AM (#12787377)
Consumer grade electronics would likely not survive the radiation that is present in space outside of earth's atmosphere.