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Re:The Best Way to Not Get Tenure by nostrademons on Sunday October 23, 2016 @01:33AM (#12772127)
I'd agree that the way to appeal to management is to build relationships & grassroots support in the organization. But the way to appeal to the market (which seems to be his current situation now, since he seems to be looking for a new job) is to make a big splash, take credit for all the things you've done, define yourself in terms of what you'd most like to do, and then wait for the calls to come in.

The difference is on whether the set of people you work with is mutable or immutable. If it's immutable, you better preserve relationships, because you'll be working with them in the future, regardless of what happens, and you need them to implement your plans. But if it's mutable, then when people dislike you, just find new people. Stake out a territory in idea-space, and then just adjust the set of folks you hang out with until everyone agrees with you.

Voice or exit. If you want voice, you've got to speak to what the people around you will hear. If you're willing to exit (or going to anyway), you can say what you want and swap the people out until you find the set who hears you.

Interestingly, the current U.S. presidential race is a perfect example of this. Trump is following the people-are-mutable, if-they-don't-like-you-fuck-'em strategy. He's burning bridges with everyone who criticizes him. And he's probably doing this because it has worked for him in business - when he stiffs a contractor, sexually harasses an employee, or loses an investor's money, there is always somebody else willing to get in line behind them. Clinton, however, is the consummate relationship builder. She's carefully worked across the aisle through decades of experience in Washington, such that she's got all the really important people supporting her. Trump's strategy works great at rallies, where he can speak only to the people who agree with him, but fails across the entire electorate, where he has to deal with a pre-existing composition that isn't going anywhere.

Re:The Best Way to Not Get Tenure by Angostura on Sunday October 23, 2016 @08:26AM (#12773252)
> is to make a big splash, take credit for all the things you've done, define yourself in terms of what you'd most like to do, and then wait for the calls to come in.

I absolutely agree with this. At the same time, you should attempt to downplay the fact that the current set of people you work with found you such a massive pain in the arse that they didn't want you to stay.

The guy's accomplishments look impressive. He should concentrate on those.

Re:The Best Way to Not Get Tenure by wildmusings on Sunday October 23, 2016 @02:41AM (#12772326)
The specifics of politics aside, I think there's always going to be a segment of the population that has total distaste and disdain for the homo politicus way of doing things. Every organization needs these people in order to counteract group think.
Re:The Best Way to Not Get Tenure by mccoyspace on Sunday October 23, 2016 @12:11PM (#12774091)
In the academic context I believe the set of people should be considered to be immutable, especially given small, specialized communities. When he goes on the market again, this post will be available for all to see, and the perception that he is problematic will follow.
Re:The Best Way to Not Get Tenure by heleph on Sunday October 23, 2016 @04:42AM (#12772619)
The group of people you're working with may not be as mutable as you think. I've been working in my programming language community in the city where I live for about ten years. There are people I have worked with before at pretty much all the really attractive places that do the language I have the most expertise with. Probably people who know people I've worked with at many of the others too.
Re:The Best Way to Not Get Tenure by adrianratnapala on Sunday October 23, 2016 @12:33PM (#12774192)
The group seems pretty mutable be me.

Right now I work in Germany, writing in C++, the language I have greatest expertise in (except maybe C, where my epertise is all in hobby projects).

My professional goal is to work in Australia, preferably in any langauge other than C++.

Re:The Best Way to Not Get Tenure by adrianratnapala on Sunday October 23, 2016 @02:11AM (#12772245)
This also explains how Trump increased republican primary turnout while upsetting republicans. It's not that there are more trumpists than traditional republicans (the general election is proving that). It's that just that Trump did have plenty of support from outside the party that he could pull into the primary.
Re:The Best Way to Not Get Tenure by jacobolus on Sunday October 23, 2016 @04:32AM (#12772596)
I think this is stated in a factually misleading / inaccurate way.

The vast majority of Trump voters are “traditional Republican” voters, at least in general elections. Many were folks who usually only turned out to vote in the general election, but not in the primary. In other words, they were expanding the pool of Republican primary voters, but not significantly expanding the pool of general election Republicans from “outise the party”.

Re:The Best Way to Not Get Tenure by synctext on Sunday October 23, 2016 @06:31AM (#12772891)
Just to get back on track.. Faculty positions are very hard to fill.

As a tenured professor in a department looking exactly for this type of "Hacking Professor" I can tell you it may take a year to find talent. Positions in Europe might be even harder to fill. Advantage of our "biking distance from Amsterdam" culture is that anti-establishment mentality and non-conformist hear style of professors is acceptable. Quality research and teaching counts. We have an official CS class called "the Hacking Lab".

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Re:The Best Way to Not Get Tenure by gaius on Sunday October 23, 2016 @06:06AM (#12772822)
It's also how Corbyn has an iron grip on the Labour Party without the support of most Labour MPs.
Re:The Best Way to Not Get Tenure by adrianratnapala on Sunday October 23, 2016 @12:29PM (#12774169)
Indeed it looks like the Labour rank and file is intentionally doing to its own Party what Labour did to the Liberals a century ago.

Historians please weigh in: Is there any evidence that the Whigs also volunteered in their own destruction?

Re:The Best Way to Not Get Tenure by nostrademons on Sunday October 23, 2016 @02:32PM (#12774735)
It did. The situation in the 1850s was actually very similar (party-wise) to now. The Whigs fell apart over slavery; the Northern anti-slavery wing blocked the nomination of incumbent Millard Fillmore. Northern Whigs rallied to the newly-created Republican party (with an anti-slavery platform), while what was left of the Southern Whigs formed the Know-Nothing party (with an anti-immigration platform). The Know-Nothings ran Millard Fillmore again as their candidate in 1856, then joined with Southern Democrats who were against secession to form the Constitutional Union party in 1860.

The Democrats themselves fell apart in 1860, splitting into Northern and Southern Democrats (running Douglas and Breckinridge, respectively). The split in the Democratic vote meant that Douglas (who was the second-highest popular vote getter) got the electoral votes of only one state, Missouri. This in turn meant that Abraham Lincoln, who wasn't even on the ballot in most Southern states, was able to carry the election, despite a popular vote count < 40% and net favorability ratings that were probably lower than Trump. This led directly to the Civil War.

Re:The Best Way to Not Get Tenure by jsemrau on Sunday October 23, 2016 @03:15AM (#12772414)
>take credit for all the things you've done

Might sound corny but -there is no I in team -. Great leaders bring change by assembling great teams where everyone gets their time to shine and don't take the credit for it. Everyone wins.

Re:The Best Way to Not Get Tenure by quanticle on Sunday October 23, 2016 @03:31AM (#12772453)
>and don't take credit for it

While it is certainly distasteful when someone takes credit for something that they had no involvement in, I would argue that it's also possible to too far in the other direction. All too many programmers (myself included!) won't take credit for anything unless they did 100% of the work. Well, as I'm slowly learning, it is possible to be nuanced. It is possible to take partial credit and to understand that saying that you led an effort doesn't automatically mean that you did 100% of the work.

Part of being a leader is convincing other people to listen to you. A very good way of doing that is to be able to point to publicly recorded instances where you've taken leadership in the past and delivered good results. If you don't take credit as a leader, you'll very soon find yourself displaced (for better or worse) by someone who does.

Re:The Best Way to Not Get Tenure by gaius on Sunday October 23, 2016 @06:09AM (#12772833)
Great leaders bring change by assembling great teams where everyone gets their time to shine and don't take the credit for it.

Yes and no. Let's say your team has pulled off a major coup. As a (good) manager you very publicly say that all the credit belongs to the team. The team are happy and they love you. But the power players understand your real message.

Re:The Best Way to Not Get Tenure by austinjp on Sunday October 23, 2016 @07:38AM (#12773088)
This suggests that management is a duplicitous role. It shouldn't be. You publicly praise those who deserve it. You privately (i.e. in interviews) explain your personal involvement.
Re:The Best Way to Not Get Tenure by austinjp on Sunday October 23, 2016 @07:36AM (#12773083)
While this is true, senior job applicants are expected to be very explicit about their achievements. Instead of saying "my team completed the project on time and under budget" they'd say "I identified stakeholders, negotiated timescales, and personally managed a budget of x million", for example.
Re:The Best Way to Not Get Tenure by Angostura on Sunday October 23, 2016 @08:29AM (#12773264)
"I bought change by assembling great teams and ensured that everyone got their time their time to shine".