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Re:A Professor Who Was Right About Index Funds All Along by joezydeco on Saturday October 22, 2016 @12:26PM (#12769300)
Buffett is close to winning a $1 million, 10-year bet he made with the head of the hedge fund Protege Partners.

The bet was simple. Buffett would invest in a Vanguard S&P 500 index fund, and the hedge fund could do anything they wanted.

http://fortune.com/2016/05/11/warren-buffett-hedge-fund-bet/

http://www.npr.org/2016/03/10/469897691/armed-with-an-index-...

Re:A Professor Who Was Right About Index Funds All Along by nostromo on Saturday October 22, 2016 @01:11PM (#12769506)
The irony of course is that Buffett became one of the world's richest people by being an active investor.
Re:A Professor Who Was Right About Index Funds All Along by yborg on Saturday October 22, 2016 @01:34PM (#12769609)
Precisely by being an investor in the old sense, the sense of being a businessman who allocates capital. He buys entire companies based on his analysis of their financials and management, and then operates them as businesses. He tries to take stakes in companies in deals where he holds an advantage, such as his Goldman Sachs investment. I don't consider him a stock picker, he's a very shrewd businessman.
Re:A Professor Who Was Right About Index Funds All Along by akiselev on Saturday October 22, 2016 @08:10PM (#12771209)
He's absolutely a stock picker, not a businessman. That's the definition of value investing, which is his self proclaimed mode of investment. He looks for undervalued (by the stockmarket) companies with good cash flow, competent management, room to grow, etc. and waits until the market price catches up to his expectations. Meanwhile, he leaves the management alone to do their best work while reinvesting the cash flow (from dividends) into other undervalued companies. Most financial institutions were probably undervalued after the 2008 collapse so if Buffet saw an undervalued cash flow positive business, that's why he invested.
Re:A Professor Who Was Right About Index Funds All Along by namlem on Monday October 24, 2016 @10:49AM (#12779268)
Berkshire Hathaway is more involved and hands on than mutual funds. They don't really micromanage, but they do at least a little bit of basic management.
Re:A Professor Who Was Right About Index Funds All Along by adventured on Sunday October 23, 2016 @03:08AM (#12772394)
Buffett made most of his money in deals that were nothing like the Goldman Sachs arrangement. Very few of his big returns provided him any special advantage like that.

His biggest returns for the first 3/4 of his adult life involved him going against the market when equities were out of favor and scooping up extremely large positions in the likes of The Washington Post, GEICO, American Express, Wells Fargo and Coca Cola.

His extraordinary history of stock picking is what enabled him to begin buying entire substantial businesses in the first place. The stock picking is what accumulated the capital necessary to buy Blue Chip Stamps and See's Candies. The Buffett partnerships for example were not built around buying up entire businesses and operating them for decades to reinvest the cash flow, and yet his returns were dramatic - regularly stomping the Dow - during those years precisely because he was such a great stock picker.

Re:A Professor Who Was Right About Index Funds All Along by nstj on Saturday October 22, 2016 @06:13PM (#12770808)
Buffett does very little business as you describe. He takes no real active role in the companies which he purchases and definitely doesn't "operate" them.

The advantage he had in the GS preferred stock offering in 2008 was his ability to provide liquidity and his name - if GS told people that Warren was investing in them then it was a real vote of confidence.

Re:A Professor Who Was Right About Index Funds All Along by billmalarky on Saturday October 22, 2016 @02:49PM (#12770007)
In that sense his strategy is more aligned with private equity, but at the public scale...
Re:A Professor Who Was Right About Index Funds All Along by tim333 on Saturday October 22, 2016 @03:28PM (#12770206)
Buffett's main argument against the hedge funds was that their fees are too high and services too poor rather than active investment never works. He started running the Buffett Partnership which was basically a hedge fund and did great for his investors and charged modest fees by modern standards - zero on the first 6% of return and 25% above that. Try finding a modern fund that doesn't charge anything if they only make a 5% return. Your typical 2 and 20 fund would charge 3% out of the 5 splitting the real return after inflation approx 100% to the manager and 0% to the investor.
Re:A Professor Who Was Right About Index Funds All Along by jacques_chester on Saturday October 22, 2016 @01:24PM (#12769567)
True, but he (and Munger) generally invest quite conservatively. He doesn't buy for capital gain, but to hold indefinitely. He buys businesses he understands, with financials he understands, for prices he figures reflect a fair discount on the economic value, plus a generous margin of error.

When full ownership is taken (his preferred option), the original management is almost always left in place. No rules or guidance are given. The subsidiaries work however they worked before acquisition.

That said, after reading through his 50 Berkshire Hathaway letters, the main lesson I drew was: own insurance companies which underwrite for profit under all economic conditions.

Re:A Professor Who Was Right About Index Funds All Along by pooper on Saturday October 22, 2016 @01:40PM (#12769652)
> True, but he (and Munger) generally invest quite conservatively. He doesn't buy for capital gain, but to hold indefinitely. He buys businesses he understands, with financials he understands, for prices he figures reflect a fair discount on the economic value, plus a generous margin of error.

The Bank of America deal shows how good a deal you can get when you can put $5B where your mouth is

> In exchange, Berkshire Hathaway received $5 billion worth of preferred stock yielding 6% a year plus warrants to purchase 700 million shares of Bank of America common stock at an exercise price of $7.14 per share.

apologies in advance for linking to fool.com http://www.fool.com/investing/general/2015/08/19/how-much-is...

Re:A Professor Who Was Right About Index Funds All Along by jacques_chester on Saturday October 22, 2016 @01:47PM (#12769687)
Right. In fact the financial crisis was a busy few years for Berkshire-Hathaway. Like everyone else they took a drubbing, but they also unleashed a lot of their unused cash to make deals on generous terms.

It helped that they were structurally inclined to build up cash. As Buffet explains, a booming share market is bad for him: everything is too expensive to buy.

So cash piles up, waiting for good deals of sufficient magnitude to arise.

When a bust arrives, there are bargains everywhere and a lot of money to buy into them.

Re:A Professor Who Was Right About Index Funds All Along by spitfire on Saturday October 22, 2016 @02:58PM (#12770049)
As Buffet puts it - Be greedy when others are fearful and fearful when others are greedy.
Re:A Professor Who Was Right About Index Funds All Along by gist on Saturday October 22, 2016 @02:23PM (#12769883)
Often overlooked is the fact that Buffett has used celebrity to his advantage. [1]

Buffett gets to do deals (on better terms no less) that others can't as a result of his celebrity and this has been the case for a long long time.

[1] In the same way Trump has but with a much better track record.

Re:A Professor Who Was Right About Index Funds All Along by harryh on Saturday October 22, 2016 @03:15PM (#12770124)
Re:A Professor Who Was Right About Index Funds All Along by aczerepinski on Saturday October 22, 2016 @08:53PM (#12771317)
His returns were better in his early days before he was famous enough to benefit from this, so its hardly the reason he got so rich.
Re:A Professor Who Was Right About Index Funds All Along by wtvanhest on Saturday October 22, 2016 @01:41PM (#12769654)
Investing successfully is all about adding value. Buffett is an active investor, but he makes his money managing the businesses, not just picking stocks.
Re:A Professor Who Was Right About Index Funds All Along by harry8 on Sunday October 23, 2016 @10:14PM (#12776428)
I could win that bet if I were able to buy Goldman Sachs during the GFC at a 20% discount to market like Warren was able to.

A good troll would have been to buy Berkshire Hathaway.

Re:A Professor Who Was Right About Index Funds All Along by acchow on Saturday October 22, 2016 @02:37PM (#12769940)
> That’s not merely a high hurdle—the law of averages suggests it’s near to impossible to clear.

Ugh. Now we have npr teaches "law of averages" backwards