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Re:Cuomo signs bill prohibiting Airbnb listings in NYC by braveo on Friday October 21, 2016 @05:48PM (#12765171)
> short-term rentals in an area that the community has decided to use for permanent housing

It shouldn't be legal to tell someone who owns a home that they cannot rent it out. We're not talking about someone running a business out of their home, where the zoning laws actually apply.

> I'd rather not have the house next to me used for short-term rentals "shared" with those that don't give two shits about the community they'll be leaving on Sunday afternoon.

How about the ones who let that druggie sister down on her luck move in, she's ok because it's for over 30 days?

This is just whiny bullcrap from someone who wants to be able to control their neighbors.

> You also don't get to just decide not to follow the rules after the fact. One moved to a community, and directly or indirectly agreed to abide by the community standards.

We're not discussing a housing authority here. If you and your neighbors get together and decide the community cannot abide someone allowing another person to use their house for less than ... what 6 months? a year ... you write that into the bylaws, set out the financial penalty, and then you enforce it.

And that's your right.

But when these kinds of things become illegal across an entire state, there's a problem. This law should have never been on the books in its current form to begin with.

Re:Cuomo signs bill prohibiting Airbnb listings in NYC by maxsilver on Friday October 21, 2016 @05:59PM (#12765263)
> It shouldn't be legal to tell someone who owns a home that they cannot rent it out. We're not talking about someone running a business out of their home, where the zoning laws actually apply.

Short term rentals are a business, by definition.

Re:Cuomo signs bill prohibiting Airbnb listings in NYC by unethical_ban on Friday October 21, 2016 @06:08PM (#12765332)
Parent made it sound like the government has a moral right to zoning laws. I would argue that zoning laws are more often abused than used properly.
Re:Cuomo signs bill prohibiting Airbnb listings in NYC by threeseed on Friday October 21, 2016 @09:52PM (#12766587)
The government does have a moral right to zoning laws.

We, as citizens, have ascribed them that right. And it is what protects me from having my neighbours run a brothel or smelting plant in their house.

Re:Cuomo signs bill prohibiting Airbnb listings in NYC by hilop on Saturday October 22, 2016 @03:28PM (#12770212)
That's not a "right", that's a power struggle. What protects the brothel owner from being kicked out of town?
Re:Cuomo signs bill prohibiting Airbnb listings in NYC by DINKDINK on Friday October 21, 2016 @06:35PM (#12765498)
By that definition so are long-term rentals, or even home buying and selling. A Colorado court has ruled that there's no substantive difference between a renter who rents for one month or one week.
Re:Cuomo signs bill prohibiting Airbnb listings in NYC by braveo on Friday October 21, 2016 @06:09PM (#12765346)
subletting is legal, by your definition it would be a business and should be illegal.

Your definition is wrong.

Re:Cuomo signs bill prohibiting Airbnb listings in NYC by 1_2__3 on Friday October 21, 2016 @06:35PM (#12765496)
Subletting is not short term, and is rightly considered to be largely governed by the same laws as those that apply to rentals since the uses are so similar.

I honestly do not understand the willful ignorance in this thread. Short term rentals is commerce. Everyone knows it's commerce. When you say you think it isn't (or you don't understand how it could be) you sound like you're denying the earth goes around the sun. This isn't even a particularly nuanced area of permitted use laws (zoning) or the appropriate role of government. You are all basically advocating for elimination of all zoning and/or pretending it doesn't exist as a totally normal type of regulation in the US (and all over the world).

Re:Cuomo signs bill prohibiting Airbnb listings in NYC by braveo on Friday October 21, 2016 @06:38PM (#12765525)
Selling off my collection of stamps from my home or allowing my child to sell lemonade is also commerce, yet I am allowed to do it.

This is where the original poster went off the rails. Just because there's an exchange of money does not mean these laws do, or should, apply.

Re:Cuomo signs bill prohibiting Airbnb listings in NYC by 1_2__3 on Friday October 21, 2016 @11:26PM (#12766970)
Of course they shut down lemonade stands. Especially if you tried to run a daily lemonade stand out of your front yard, staffed by people who don't live there.
Re:Cuomo signs bill prohibiting Airbnb listings in NYC by spc476 on Friday October 21, 2016 @07:03PM (#12765664)
And yes, authorities do shut down lemonade stands: https://www.google.com/search?q=authority+shut+down+lemonade...

I think it's silly, but there it is.

Re:Cuomo signs bill prohibiting Airbnb listings in NYC by braveo on Sunday October 23, 2016 @04:05PM (#12775173)
right, someone has done it somewhere. I knew that when I made the comment, it doesn't change the general applicability of the point.
Re:Cuomo signs bill prohibiting Airbnb listings in NYC by azernik on Friday October 21, 2016 @07:05PM (#12765678)
They're legal because the government has not decided to make them illegal. If the government decides that your lemonade stand is a danger to public health, or that your stamp collection is a national patrimony and cannot leave the country, it will make new laws that enforce those decisions.
Re:Cuomo signs bill prohibiting Airbnb listings in NYC by Tempest1981 on Saturday October 22, 2016 @04:36PM (#12770455)
Or, they're illegal, but the law isn't enforced, so people feel they are legal.
Re:Cuomo signs bill prohibiting Airbnb listings in NYC by kafkaesq on Friday October 21, 2016 @08:36PM (#12766202)
It shouldn't be legal to tell someone who owns a home that they cannot rent it out.

That's not what relevant the laws say ("You can't rent your property, period!"). Just that you can't use a residential property as a de-facto hotel.

If you and your neighbors get together and decide the community cannot abide someone allowing another person to use their house for less than ... what 6 months?

30 days. The point is that short-term rentals have a very different character (in terms of impact on neighbors, and impact on property values) than long-term rentals.

This is just whiny bullcrap from someone who wants to be able to control their neighbors.

No, it's just life the big city. Though I agree that whether these issues should be of interest of the state (as opposed to municipalities) is very much open to question. Then again, the Empire State is known to be messed up (and to have lopsided control over) a great many things, in this regard.

Re:Cuomo signs bill prohibiting Airbnb listings in NYC by ubernostrum on Saturday October 22, 2016 @06:07AM (#12768094)
It shouldn't be legal to tell someone who owns a home that they cannot rent it out

Your right to do as you please with your property ends where my property, and interference with my enjoyment of it, begins.

Or do you also think that if you buy some property straddling a river, you can dump waste into it and say "my property, nobody can tell me what to do with it" while making everyone downriver pay for the cleanup of what you did? Because that's the ultimate moral grounding of laws restricting property -- you don't own an isolated island in the middle of nowhere, you own property that's adjacent to and can affect other pieces of property owned by other people who also have rights.

Re:Cuomo signs bill prohibiting Airbnb listings in NYC by braveo on Sunday October 23, 2016 @04:03PM (#12775167)
> Or do you also think that if you buy some property straddling a river, you can dump waste into it and say "my property, nobody can tell me what to do with it" while making everyone downriver pay for the cleanup of what you did?

You can't actually own the land around a river, but I get the point you're trying to make regardless.

The point is, if they're causing a ruckus, report them and have it shut down. If they're not, leave it alone. And having multiple different vehicles in the driveway isn't causing a ruckus.

This is basically FUD. What if they do something the neighbors don't like!?! Then deal with it at that time, stop being thought police.

Re:Cuomo signs bill prohibiting Airbnb listings in NYC by bkanber on Friday October 21, 2016 @11:05PM (#12766888)
> It shouldn't be legal to tell someone who owns a home that they cannot rent it out.

I mean, a majority of our forebears thought it should. The original law was passed by a representative democracy. And so was this one. You're one of the (totally guessing) 48% of people that disagree. That's democracy. You have to live with getting out-voted.