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Re:Do the math: too much calculus? (2012) by eli_gottlieb on Wednesday October 19, 2016 @09:56PM (#12749329)
The problem with trying to teach statistics, to anyone really, is that once you get past the very basics, you have to stop every time the lecturer/textbook invokes measure theory and figure out how to explain the concepts without just making everyone sit through two to three semesters of real analysis.
Re:Do the math: too much calculus? (2012) by thearn4 on Thursday October 20, 2016 @09:17AM (#12751892)
Agreed, there is definitely a huge gap between doing, for example, a t-test and deriving the t-test (or giving any substantial justification for its form). You need a class in analysis, a class in measure-theoretic probability, then a mathematical statistics class to bring you back to the topic. It's a tough square to circle.

Most who teach stats at the undergrad or hs level have little choice but to defer a lot of things to a later course.

Re:Do the math: too much calculus? (2012) by hilop on Wednesday October 19, 2016 @10:13PM (#12749384)
You just use discrete scenarios, not continuous. Same concepts, easier math.

same way you can do linear geometry without calculus.

Re:Do the math: too much calculus? (2012) by eli_gottlieb on Wednesday October 19, 2016 @11:02PM (#12749497)
In my experience, just knowing discrete probability and statistics is profoundly unuseful, especially when you walk out of class thinking you know the subject, sign up for a next course that involves real-valued quantities, and bomb everything.