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Re:Americans Work 25% More Than Europeans, Study Finds by zeveb on Tuesday October 18, 2016 @11:10AM (#12735198)
> This sounds less like people in Europe are "discouraged" from working, rather than many Americans must work longer because they can't retire.

Very few people retire at 20 or 40; I fail to see why in an era where people are starting to expect to live until their 80s they should stop working at 65. Is it not good for us all to have the contributions, knowledge & experience of those over 65 in the workplace?

Pension plans (public & private) were built decades ago, based on assumptions which no longer hold true; should they not be revisited?

Re:Americans Work 25% More Than Europeans, Study Finds by vkou on Tuesday October 18, 2016 @06:16PM (#12739230)
White collar, middle-class people can expect to live until their 80s.

Life expectancy for lower class people, blue-collar workers, and manual laborers has not gained significantly - and neither has productive life expectancy.

If you threw out your back stocking shelves at 43, what exactly are you supposed to do? Get a desk job? If you were capable of getting a desk job, you probably would have done that before you crippled yourself.

Re:Americans Work 25% More Than Europeans, Study Finds by BadCookie on Tuesday October 18, 2016 @05:11PM (#12738748)
Perhaps it is reasonable to expect a white-collar worker to work past 65, but how about a blue-collar worker or a laborer? Not everyone sits in a chair in front of a computer all day for their job.
Re:Americans Work 25% More Than Europeans, Study Finds by wott on Tuesday October 18, 2016 @06:29PM (#12739301)
Even for white-collar and computer people, intellectual abilities do degrade over time too. If the task is demanding in that respect and you go below the threshold where it cannot be compensated by experience, performance will drop dramatically to the point of not being able to accomplish the tasks in a reasonable way. Of course the degradation rate and acceleration depend highly on the individual. But you cannot ask everybody to work these jobs after 65 or 70, even though these are white-collar jobs.
Re:Americans Work 25% More Than Europeans, Study Finds by saiya-jin on Wednesday October 19, 2016 @04:18AM (#12742023)
Not sure why downvoted - there are people who stay mentally sharp until their 80s or 90s, and everybody keeps talking about them. These are rather exceptions. Most people suffer from slow mental decline, I could see it on my grandparents and their peers. That is, if you are still OK and not crippled physically or mentally by some accident/disease.

It seems that for most healthy, after 70 body goes down the drain too. I cannot imagine myself doing same software dev work at this age, all the bullsh*t and pressures that corporate jobs contain would make me leave on my own.

My plan is to retire earlier (60-61), not later! Enjoy the world, life and freedom of travel while there is still some strength in the body. I don't get why anybody would want to work more than necessary (unless your job is your hobby, but that is true for very few)

Re:Americans Work 25% More Than Europeans, Study Finds by st3v3r on Tuesday October 18, 2016 @07:34PM (#12739689)
"I fail to see why in an era where people are starting to expect to live until their 80s they should stop working at 65."

Cause there's more to life than work? For most people, vacations are discouraged, and there's lots of stuff that people are told to "wait until retirement" to do. If they're never going to retire, when are they going to do stuff that isn't job?