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Re:Peter Thiel, YC, and hard decisions by aiig on Monday October 17, 2016 @03:17PM (#12728359)
> Living in a liberal and free society means tolerating views you find repugnant.

Not if they call me a "faggot" on the street.

Re:Peter Thiel, YC, and hard decisions by maratd on Monday October 17, 2016 @03:25PM (#12728508)
> Not if they call me a "faggot" on the street.

Even then.

Be an activist, go out and vote, fight for yourself, but don't attack others because they said something you didn't like.

Re:Peter Thiel, YC, and hard decisions by splawn on Monday October 17, 2016 @03:34PM (#12728654)
...but is it reeeeally "freedom" if I am not free to attack others because they said something I didn't like?

(Yes...Im being facetious... discussions centered around "freedom" are meaningless because of how subjective the term is.)

Re:Peter Thiel, YC, and hard decisions by aiig on Monday October 17, 2016 @04:53PM (#12729625)
> Even then.

How about you try getting chased out of a subway station after midnight getting called a "faggot" and we'll talk.

And people say that the SF tech class is out of touch.

Re:Peter Thiel, YC, and hard decisions by vsl on Tuesday October 18, 2016 @03:42AM (#12732758)
Surely you do grasp the slight difference between words and being chased?

FWIW, I think there's a difference between repugnant opinions and insults, so "faggot" is not a good example, but you're twisting OP's words dishonestly.

Re:Peter Thiel, YC, and hard decisions by aiig on Tuesday October 18, 2016 @10:17AM (#12734522)
Definitely see that.

Though as we've seen recently, there are a lot of people who say, e.g., in the flower shop / bakery trope, "I don't have a problem with gay people, but my religion prohibits me from serving them."

In such a case, do you really need an epithet to read hate? Do you really need to hear the N word to know that people are racist? It's, at best, a very privileged (and at worst, an entirely naive) POV to suggest that you do.

Re:Peter Thiel, YC, and hard decisions by FeepingCreature on Tuesday October 18, 2016 @12:06AM (#12731985)
How about you try getting uninvited from a conference getting called a "bigot" for supporting the wrong politician? I hear it feels great. Really makes you consider the other side's arguments dispassionately and clearly.
Re:Peter Thiel, YC, and hard decisions by aiig on Tuesday October 18, 2016 @10:18AM (#12734535)
I'm so glad that you equate me fearing for my safety the same as you getting kicked out of your tech conference.

You were so victimized I'm sorry.

Re:Peter Thiel, YC, and hard decisions by FeepingCreature on Wednesday October 19, 2016 @02:52AM (#12741643)
Not a race.
Re:Peter Thiel, YC, and hard decisions by ScottBurson on Monday October 17, 2016 @08:37PM (#12731098)
Tolerating their views, yes. Tolerating violence or the threat of violence, no.

To call someone "faggot" is indeed to threaten violence. The word originally meant "burning stick"; that's why a lit cigarette is sometimes called a "fag". By calling someone "faggot", one is saying they should be burned alive.

Re:Peter Thiel, YC, and hard decisions by grzm on Monday October 17, 2016 @08:49PM (#12731149)
Etymology is really interesting. And the meaning of words can change and new meanings can be associated over time. The word computer dates back to the 17th century referring to a person who calculates.[0] I don't think this is the meaning most people intend when using the word computer today.

I'm not condoning the use of hateful language or threats. I just find your example problematic.

[0]: http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?term=computer

Re:Peter Thiel, YC, and hard decisions by flukus on Monday October 17, 2016 @08:43PM (#12731129)
Faggot hasn't had that connotation since around the same time that gay meant happy.
Re:Peter Thiel, YC, and hard decisions by aiig on Tuesday October 18, 2016 @10:20AM (#12734554)
How enlightening this discussion is.