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Re:Peter Thiel, YC, and hard decisions on Tuesday October 18, 2016 @10:20AM (#12734554)
How enlightening this discussion is.
Re:Peter Thiel, YC, and hard decisions on Tuesday October 18, 2016 @10:18AM (#12734535)
I'm so glad that you equate me fearing for my safety the same as you getting kicked out of your tech conference.

You were so victimized I'm sorry.

Re:Peter Thiel, YC, and hard decisions on Tuesday October 18, 2016 @10:17AM (#12734522)
Definitely see that.

Though as we've seen recently, there are a lot of people who say, e.g., in the flower shop / bakery trope, "I don't have a problem with gay people, but my religion prohibits me from serving them."

In such a case, do you really need an epithet to read hate? Do you really need to hear the N word to know that people are racist? It's, at best, a very privileged (and at worst, an entirely naive) POV to suggest that you do.

Re:Peter Thiel, YC, and hard decisions on Monday October 17, 2016 @04:53PM (#12729625)
> Even then.

How about you try getting chased out of a subway station after midnight getting called a "faggot" and we'll talk.

And people say that the SF tech class is out of touch.

Re:Peter Thiel, YC, and hard decisions on Monday October 17, 2016 @04:50PM (#12729592)
Right -- it's kind of an intuition that's perhaps uniquely available to a gay person. It's an awareness you develop after talking to enough gay men -- some open and free, some repressed and mean. It becomes apparent that those who are most bitter, most mean, and most vindictive, are those who are actually hurting inside the most.

It seems to me that these concepts are totally foreign to the SF tech class, which seems to operate in what is perhaps believed to be a fully rational paradigm. But people aren't really that rational.

Peter Thiel very likely had a tough childhood, one that made him particularly sensitive to his sexuality. [E.g., not to go there but his vendetta against Gawker has no other explanation. Modern self-accepting gay men would probably say, "ok yeah um that was low but whatever."]

My evidence of him being self-hating is not from his political choices, but it's from everything else. It's from the way he speaks, his profound effort to be contrarian (I went through that phase), his peculiar vendetta against Gawker, and, to go there, his apparent lack of a stable partner. If there ever were a gay bachelor, it would be Peter Thiel -- but something is apparently wrong to make that an impossibility.

But in general, you might have to concede that your intuition on these issues is not as well developed here as that of a gay man's, who has seen these issues for many years on a deeply personal level.

Re:Peter Thiel, YC, and hard decisions on Monday October 17, 2016 @03:17PM (#12728359)
> Living in a liberal and free society means tolerating views you find repugnant.

Not if they call me a "faggot" on the street.

Re:Peter Thiel, YC, and hard decisions on Monday October 17, 2016 @03:13PM (#12728305)
> A person should not lose their job, their status on a board, their inclusion in an event, etc. based on who they decide to support politically.

Even if you're an active supporter of David Duke? Must we tolerate the (frequently violent) intolerance of others?