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Re:Peter Thiel, YC, and hard decisions by untog on Monday October 17, 2016 @02:03PM (#12727508)
What you're describing seems only natural to me. Very few people sit entirely within the spectrum of one of the two parties - they have to evaluate both and see which has the most pluses. If you're gay, the Republican party is threatening your ability to get married and live without discrimination, so I can believe that might seem more important than relatively minor shifts in economic policy.
Re:Peter Thiel, YC, and hard decisions by supergeek133 on Monday October 17, 2016 @02:27PM (#12727772)
Well, take a different issue then, one that's larger and either drives people to or away from a party.

Say I really side with an issue that is on the Republican platform, gun rights for example. We've come to the point lately where that just means I must also be a racist, homophobe, bigot. Guilt by association. Even to the point of people losing their job or life over it.

Really? We think that's OK? Then in this case she's doing it simply because he has money and gave it to said candidate?

On the reverse I've seen some people with the "pot should be legal" argument get completely put down by some on the more conservative side saying they must also be for free everything!! Which isn't always the case.

Re:Peter Thiel, YC, and hard decisions by hprotagonist on Monday October 17, 2016 @02:08PM (#12727566)
Except, I guess, if you're Peter Thiel, who stands both to be discriminated against but also to get massive tax breaks in a Trump presidency.
Re:Peter Thiel, YC, and hard decisions by georgemcbay on Monday October 17, 2016 @02:27PM (#12727784)
"who stands both to be discriminated against but also to get massive tax breaks in a Trump presidency"

Well, being as wealthy as Thiel is basically frees you from the day to day realities of being discriminated against.

I'm not saying minorities who are rich aren't also victims of prejudice and such, but when you are rich and relatively famous (and any kind of minority) you are very unlikely to be openly discriminated against the same way a "commoner" minority will be.

... which makes his support for Trump seem even more selfish to me.

Re:Peter Thiel, YC, and hard decisions by hprotagonist on Monday October 17, 2016 @02:59PM (#12728134)
>Well, being as wealthy as Thiel is basically frees you from the day to day realities of being discriminated against.

I would remind you that the chief claim in US v. Windsor was about the tax implications of a lesbian wedding not recognized at the federal level, which incurred a higher estate tax penalty (to the tune of ~$380,000) which is unconstitutional under the 14th.

That seems exactly like something that Peter Thiel probably cares about if he ever chooses to marry.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_v._Windsor

Re:Peter Thiel, YC, and hard decisions by supergeek133 on Monday October 17, 2016 @02:33PM (#12727846)
By discriminated against do you mean someone saying hateful things to you, or someone actively going out of their way to deny you something?

I mean, I see more hateful things being said to celebrities than just about anyone else.

Re:Peter Thiel, YC, and hard decisions by sedachv on Monday October 17, 2016 @02:42PM (#12727923)
> By discriminated against do you mean someone saying hateful things to you, or someone actively going out of their way to deny you something?

More like being murdered for being gay or black or ... and the police refusing (sometimes openly) to investigate, which used to happen well into the 1960s in the US.

Re:Peter Thiel, YC, and hard decisions by georgemcbay on Monday October 17, 2016 @02:48PM (#12727989)
Yes, this is more the sort of thing I meant.

Sure, when it comes to hateful semi-anonymous bad things said about people on twitter or whatever, celebrities are prime targets (and that kind of sucks, celebrities are people too), but I'm more thinking about active physical-world types of discrimination, the kind that end up with you being beaten, possibly killed, or just denied otherwise deserved opportunities.

Being rich/famous doesn't guarantee you won't suffer from that sort of discrimination, but anecdotally it does appear to lessen the chances by a great deal.

Re:Peter Thiel, YC, and hard decisions by supergeek133 on Monday October 17, 2016 @03:30PM (#12728586)
Oh, well in that context yes I agree. Rich people can afford bodyguards and security.
Re:Peter Thiel, YC, and hard decisions by masklinn on Monday October 17, 2016 @02:32PM (#12727830)
> Peter Thiel, who stands both to be discriminated against

A person worth north of 2 billion does not risk being discriminated against.

Re:Peter Thiel, YC, and hard decisions by vsl on Tuesday October 18, 2016 @03:31AM (#12732729)
This entire thread is about attempted discrimination against him due to his wrongthink political views...
Re:Peter Thiel, YC, and hard decisions by hprotagonist on Monday October 17, 2016 @02:55PM (#12728076)
In Thiel's case, that depends entirely on how rude Trump intends on being to gay people.
Re:Peter Thiel, YC, and hard decisions by hiringmanager on Monday October 17, 2016 @03:01PM (#12728149)
I am Gay. Hillary Clinton is on the record her entire career as opposing gay marriage. Trump, when questioned what he would do if he found out an employee was gay said "it makes no difference".

As far as I'm concerned, the Clintons (Bill signed the "Defense of Marriage Act" in the first place) are the anti-gay ones (and add Obama to that too)

Not all of us are gullible to the blatant pandering and fear mongering democrats engage in.

While during the Bush years there was some stupid asinine anti-gay rhetoric from Bush, nothing was even attempted.

But it was the Clintons who banned gay marriage. That's all when I stopped being a democrat.

Re:Peter Thiel, YC, and hard decisions by FireBeyond on Monday October 17, 2016 @03:45PM (#12728846)
"Trump, when questioned what he would do if he found out an employee was gay said "it makes no difference"."

That's an -odd- comparison. One is about gay marriage, and one is about people being gay.

Trump is perfectly capable of having no issue with someone being gay AND being against their right to marriage.

And realistically? What's worse for you as a gay person - Donald's -personal- beliefs, or those he advocates as a policy?

http://www.politifact.com/new-york/statements/2016/aug/14/se...

Besides, Trump has said a lot of things that contradict other things he's said, and gay marriage is one of those:

"I am not in favor of gay marriage."

For someone affected by such things, you really should be more informed.

Re:Peter Thiel, YC, and hard decisions by danem on Monday October 17, 2016 @03:43PM (#12728811)
Which party has a stronger record of LGBT support? According to a recent report by the Pew Research Center[1], as recently as this year, only 33% of republicans supported gay marriage. I'm certainly not a fan of Hillary Clinton, but what I'm really voting for is the Democrat party. This means keeping another Scalia out of the supreme court, and forcing the Republicans to take a long hard look at themselves, and really evaluate where they stand as a party.

[1]: http://www.pewforum.org/2016/05/12/changing-attitudes-on-gay...

Re:Peter Thiel, YC, and hard decisions by cmurf on Monday October 17, 2016 @05:08PM (#12729787)
This is asinine. It was one Clinton who signed DOMA, not Clintons (plural). 224 Republican members of the House of Representatives voted in favor of it, compared to 118 Democrats. 1 Republican voted against it, compared to 65 Democrats. In the Senate 53 Republicans voted for it, none voted against; 32 Democrats voted for it, 14 voted against it.

So you have a slightly moving, changing Democrat party; and complete bigotry then and still now in the Republican party. Yet you stopped being a Democrat based on this vote? That's fine, but it's completely absurd.

Democrats are the conservative party, and have always had to be dragged kicking and screaming to get anything progressive done in all of history. It does not make sense you'd use DOMA as the point in time to switch to the crazy party. You know, the bat shit insane where it's OK to "get away" with gawking at girls getting dressed in the changing room, but it's perverse for a female identifying transgender to take a piss in the women's bathroom - something that's been happening for a very long time without anyone giving two shits until Republicans got a fucking clue it was happening.

Re:Peter Thiel, YC, and hard decisions by sn9 on Monday October 17, 2016 @04:08PM (#12729157)
And what about the 'T' in 'LGBT'?

Surely you haven't already forgotten the rise in anti-trans discriminatory legislation in recent years? Do you think Trump and his supporters are the type to not support those? Which party is it that's been at the forefront of anti-discriminatory legislation and equal protection in general?

It sucks that the first past the post voting system of ours all but guarantees that we must choose between the lesser of two evils to avoid throwing our vote away, but what else are you going to do? A vote for a third party is a vote that increases the probability of a Trump presidency.

Re:Peter Thiel, YC, and hard decisions by amyjess on Monday October 17, 2016 @04:47PM (#12729570)
Adding to this: Clinton was personally responsible for new regulations that allow trans people to easily change the gender markers on their passport and their social security records (and there's also been regulations that rendered the gender marker on social security irrelevant, though I don't remember if that was before or after Clinton left).

On top of this, Mike Pence has promised to roll back the Obama administration's use of the EEOC and Title IX to protect trans rights against discrimination.

I'm voting Democratic for my very survival.

Re:Peter Thiel, YC, and hard decisions by vsl on Tuesday October 18, 2016 @03:30AM (#12732726)
"survival"? Do you honestly believe you'll be shot if Trump wins? If so, wow.
Re:Peter Thiel, YC, and hard decisions by splintercell on Tuesday October 18, 2016 @10:39AM (#12734807)
My friends were bracing for an all out race war if Obama won in 2008. Others were expecting Obama to go full Hugo Chavez on America.

Does anyone else remember that time?