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Re:Peter Thiel to Donate $1.25M in Support of Donald Trump by fixxer on Sunday October 16, 2016 @12:23AM (#12716889)
I'm not betting on a Trump presidency, but I'm fascinated at what the electorate is going to look like in the general. We've been basing so much of the polling on projections over 2012/2008 turnout. I would not be surprised if the final margin is within 2 points.
Re:Peter Thiel to Donate $1.25M in Support of Donald Trump by vinhboy on Sunday October 16, 2016 @12:25AM (#12716898)
I would be more surprised if the margins are huge. I have come to expect team politics to give us close margins. I would be surprised, in either a very happy or very sad way, if instead the margins are big.
Re:Peter Thiel to Donate $1.25M in Support of Donald Trump by fixxer on Sunday October 16, 2016 @12:29AM (#12716919)
True; I wonder what impact a 9 point poll-implied spread turning into 1-2 points in the ballot booth could have on future political activities by "alt right" candidates. It feels like many are treating this as a "beat Trump and save the world" situation without realizing that the underlying movement isn't likely going away. If Trump brings in a large enough group of non-voters, that will have long lasting impacts (people that start voting tend to keep voting).
Re:Peter Thiel to Donate $1.25M in Support of Donald Trump by int_19h on Sunday October 16, 2016 @05:57AM (#12717847)
It can still be "save the world" situation even when understanding this. Long-term, it would be nice to have a SCOTUS that would be more of a check on someone like Trump, and less of a rubberstamp.
Re:Peter Thiel to Donate $1.25M in Support of Donald Trump by fixxer on Sunday October 16, 2016 @10:03AM (#12718610)
I'd be happy with a SCOTUS that checks the executive branch in general. We're already in full-on rubber stamp mode and have been for 16 years, if not longer.
Re:Peter Thiel to Donate $1.25M in Support of Donald Trump by int_19h on Sunday October 16, 2016 @05:05PM (#12720947)
I wouldn't call the current court a rubber stamp. There have been some very unfortunate decisions, sure, but there were also quite a few decisions that prevented either the states or the feds from running wild.

The real problem with being a true check is partisanship on the court. By now, it seems to be essentially accepted that there are "liberal judges" and "conservative judges", and that they will rule accordingly. I cringe every time I hear that, because SCOTUS, like any other court, is supposed to rule on what the law is, not on what it should be; and one's political affiliation should not affect the former. In practice, of course, it does matter these days, and it is a really bad thing, especially in an institution that is 1) so small, and 2) not providing any mechanism to hold them responsible.

Re:Peter Thiel to Donate $1.25M in Support of Donald Trump by Tsugumo on Sunday October 16, 2016 @12:53AM (#12717027)
Super Tuesday voter turnout in 2008: 8,228,763 for Democrats, 5,025,685 for Republicans. 2016: 5,557,243 Democrats, 8,307,884 Republicans If I was a betting man, I'd put my money on Trump. I think it will be close. That said, I also believe electoral fraud could decide the election.
Re:Peter Thiel to Donate $1.25M in Support of Donald Trump by Tom1971 on Sunday October 16, 2016 @02:53AM (#12717367)
Depends what you mean by electoral fraud. In the US, the only electoral fraud that has a significant impact is one where groups of voters are prohibited/prevented from voting. Pennsylvania is particularly vulnerable to that one due to very broad rules that allow people to question the legality of other people to vote. It's why Trump has been calling PA supports to do exactly that.

Other types of fraud (ballot stuffing, voting multiple times, voting when you're not allowed to etc.) are exceedingly rare, and it would have to happen at a massive scale for it to make an actual impact.

That's just not going to happen, especially with it being a felony.

Re:Peter Thiel to Donate $1.25M in Support of Donald Trump by jacquesm on Sunday October 16, 2016 @04:01AM (#12717561)
At least one presidential election has been decided by a margin so close that a few hundred votes made the difference. That's not so massive a scale that it couldn't happen.
Re:Peter Thiel to Donate $1.25M in Support of Donald Trump by Tom1971 on Sunday October 16, 2016 @12:45PM (#12719486)
Yes. And far more than hanging chads, that election was primarily decided by thousands of potential voters being incorrectly purged from the voting lists.
Re:Peter Thiel to Donate $1.25M in Support of Donald Trump by gallonofmilk on Sunday October 16, 2016 @03:15AM (#12717441)
george soros affiliate produces the voting machines in 16 states...
Re:Peter Thiel to Donate $1.25M in Support of Donald Trump by Senji on Sunday October 16, 2016 @04:43AM (#12717667)
You're down-voted because you're right.
Re:Peter Thiel to Donate $1.25M in Support of Donald Trump by gallonofmilk on Sunday October 16, 2016 @06:03AM (#12717867)
that's usually how things go :)
Re:Peter Thiel to Donate $1.25M in Support of Donald Trump by threeseed on Sunday October 16, 2016 @01:04AM (#12717059)
That doesn't make much sense. Super Tuesday primaries included all likely Republican voters. But Trump only has the support of about 40% of them and nothing he has done to date indicates that number is changing.

And there is no evidence that electoral fraud is likely to decide the election. In fact it's looking like efforts to prevent it e.g. in Indiana are far more likely to influence the election.

Re:Peter Thiel to Donate $1.25M in Support of Donald Trump by Tsugumo on Sunday October 16, 2016 @01:45AM (#12717165)
The record-breaking Republican turnout was due to Trump, and I think it is reasonable to believe that the vast majority of Republicans will vote Trump over Hillary, or 3rd party. At the same time, many independents and Bernie supporters will vote Trump as well. In my mind, Trump is the Republican Obama, and will benefit from many first-time voters, and a large turnout in general. It does not seem to me that Hillary has the same draw. I don't mean to argue with you, only to clarify.
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Re:Peter Thiel to Donate $1.25M in Support of Donald Trump by sctb on Sunday October 16, 2016 @01:00PM (#12719577)
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Re:Peter Thiel to Donate $1.25M in Support of Donald Trump by threeseed on Sunday October 16, 2016 @01:52AM (#12717184)
You're confused again. Trump had record breaking PRIMARY turnout. All polls taken so far have him only getting about 40% of Republicans. And there is no evidence what so ever that he is drawing in independents or Bernie supporters at any significant rate.

He is down by on average 7 points nationally for a reason.

Re:Peter Thiel to Donate $1.25M in Support of Donald Trump by rconti on Sunday October 16, 2016 @03:08AM (#12717417)
Correction: 75% of Republicans, 40% overall. He seems to have a fairly hard ceiling. His support among Republicans is shockingly low, but likely to rebound a bit to keep it from being a total blowout.
Re:Peter Thiel to Donate $1.25M in Support of Donald Trump by savagej on Sunday October 16, 2016 @03:08AM (#12717418)
You're off by 2X. Well over 80% of GOP is voting Trump.

http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/for-many-gop-women-party...

Re:Peter Thiel to Donate $1.25M in Support of Donald Trump by gallonofmilk on Sunday October 16, 2016 @03:16AM (#12717444)
where are you getting 40%? last I heard 87% of republicans are backing Trump (regardless of the elitists jumping ship)