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Re:KiCad: A commitment to freedom by aylons on Saturday October 15, 2016 @09:25AM (#12713846)
> Our conclusion was that for hobby projects and very simple professional PCBs, KiCad is a great tool, but it's just not enough for even slightly demanding projects (and I'm not even talking about high-frequency design, EMI analysis, and multi-person projects).

You are entitled to your opinion, and surely there are more advanced tools, but lots of people do high-frequency design using Kicad. HackRF, from Michael Ossman, is a SDR board entirely built in Kicad [1].

Heck, I've done nice, complex high-density, high-speed FPGA-based boards in Kicad. It's still not at the high leagues, but I wouldn't dismiss it as only an option for hobbyists and simple PCBs. I, personally, find it much better than Eagle, and I'm not the only one.

[1] https://greatscottgadgets.com/hackrf/

Re:KiCad: A commitment to freedom by vvanders on Saturday October 15, 2016 @10:03AM (#12713946)
I'm not sure I'd hold up Eagle high as a bar to beat.
Re:KiCad: A commitment to freedom by Cerium on Saturday October 15, 2016 @12:52PM (#12714664)
Eagle may not be a high bar to beat but it is a commercial product that in my experience KiCAD has exceeded.
Re:KiCad: A commitment to freedom by aylons on Saturday October 15, 2016 @02:32PM (#12715105)
It surely isn't, but is a commercial product that get much less heat then Kicad.
Re:KiCad: A commitment to freedom by the_duke on Saturday October 15, 2016 @10:25AM (#12714016)
Can you respond to the specific criticisms of OP then?
Re:KiCad: A commitment to freedom by aylons on Saturday October 15, 2016 @02:34PM (#12715114)
Not every discussion has a winner and I'm not Kicad's lawyer. I'm just honestly adding to the discussion, not trying to "win" a debate or anything.
Re:KiCad: A commitment to freedom by the_duke on Saturday October 15, 2016 @08:56PM (#12716327)
That was not what I was inferring, I was just geniously interested in counterpoints.
Re:KiCad: A commitment to freedom by adwn on Saturday October 15, 2016 @01:30PM (#12714832)
I didn't say that it's impossible to do these things in KiCad, it's rather that KiCad doesn't offer a lot of assistance for those scenarios. In the extreme case, you can design your PCB by hand-writing the Gerber files, but the point of an EDA tool is that it should handle the automatable stuff.
Re:KiCad: A commitment to freedom by aylons on Saturday October 15, 2016 @02:44PM (#12715155)
I agree that it has wide room for improvements, but I still find it very comparable to Eagle, for example.

But it is in a steady improvement route, while operating in a much harder segment to attract the resources they need than most free/open-source projects: their best users aren't high-level programmers, neither UX experts, and UX experts and high-level programmers aren't their typical users[1].

I still use Altium for my most complex designs, even for reasons beyong those you've posted, but it surely can be used for professional projects beyond the simplest ones, even taking advantage of the automation by learning a few simple patterns.

[1] Except, of course, by coincidence. As a primarily hardware engineer, I'm trying to help by re-learning desktop programming, something I haven't done in years.