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Re:Taking PHP Seriously by guitarbill on Friday October 14, 2016 @05:21AM (#12706946)
> large often-changing content. This is where PHP is still king of the web.

PHP is still widely used, but there's a myriad of other contenders: Java, ASP.NET, Python (Django,Flask,etc), Ruby (Rails), Perl, Javascript (Node,etc) and others.

I'm not sure about PHP being the "king". PHP might be the most widely deployed thanks to either FB or the huge number of legacy bulletin boards and wordpress sites, but in terms of new deployments does it still dominate? Probably not. (For novices, a static site generator is definitely the way to go, until you run into it's limitations.)

Re:Taking PHP Seriously by nucleardog on Saturday October 15, 2016 @07:14PM (#12716052)
All of the languages you listed have a way steeper learning curve than PHP. PHP creates a lot of really small steps you can take getting from "I roughly understand HTML" to "I can build a full 3-tier MVC buzzword-of-the-day app.". For anyone not intending to become a full-fledged programmer, but instead just to add a little bit of interactivity/dynamism to their website, it's still the path of least resistance.
Re:Taking PHP Seriously by guitarbill on Sunday October 16, 2016 @03:26PM (#12720455)
I'd argue that Javascript (sans all the frameworks and bullshit) will also get you there quicker, because of the intrinsic DOM connection. But yes, backend JS sucks.

I also made a start with PHP. Still, PHP has been slow to learn from other languages and frustratingly refused to change established behaviour. I found PHP to be far more "dangerous" for the amateur programmer than other languages. Finally, I switched and never looked back.

From teaching beginners, I actually think Python + Flask has a similarly shallow learning curve, but more room to grow and to "do it correctly" (e.g. the templating is much cleaner and the routing much more powerful). I recommend it.

Re:Taking PHP Seriously by spronkey on Monday October 17, 2016 @05:23AM (#12723620)
echo "<h1>hello</h1>" vs... damn, how do you even print a line in Javascript (Node, to be fair)? console.log()? Wait no, that prints to a terminal. Response.write? Oh, wait, I have to implement the http.createServer callback? Yeah ok, oh and it's ... response.print? No, no it's response.write. Oh what it's not working? Oh I need response.end() as well.

Hopefully you get the point.

(I do agree that PHP without something like Symfony, Yii, ... Laravel, even Cake could be very dangerous, or at least, counter-productive for amateurs trying to learn though)

Re:Taking PHP Seriously by vatotemking on Friday October 14, 2016 @07:24AM (#12707371)
Youre right. I think JS has taken over the title, for better or for worse. Even WordPress is migrating to JS with its front end.