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Re:Women rise through the ranks of IT more rapidly than men by WildUtah on Tuesday October 11, 2016 @02:05PM (#12686909)
Women are promoted preferentially in large companies with HR departments that enforce affirmative action policies and produce reports detailing compliance with national goals for minority participation.

That leads men to leave such companies and start their own businesses. Small companies are often more agile and innovative and far more likely to make founders and skilled employees rich.

So the programs to promote women (and underrepresented minorities) that are intended to achieve equality just promote even more unfair advantages for men. It's a common pattern: even the best designed policies need to be constantly expanded so that unfair advantages for men can be mitigated.

But no one can say that the proliferation of small innovative companies is bad for society. New innovative ideas make all our lives better, and some of that is owed to big corporate HR departments encouraging more entrepreneurship by limiting promotion opportunities for men.

Re:Women rise through the ranks of IT more rapidly than men by cryptarch on Tuesday October 11, 2016 @02:14PM (#12687017)
How is not having the option of a stable career with promotions an unfair advantage?

Women who decide they want to join a high risk, high gain startup and have the skills to do so, are free to and do just that.

Men who decide they want to be treated equally have to leave their stable jobs for startups.

edit: formating

Re:Women rise through the ranks of IT more rapidly than men by yummyfajitas on Tuesday October 11, 2016 @02:21PM (#12687078)
How is men losing a career path due to discrimination and choosing to enter a different one an "unfair advantage for men"?

Were the discriminatory practices that led Jews to start their own business also an "unfair advantage for the Jews"?

Re:Women rise through the ranks of IT more rapidly than men by amyjess on Tuesday October 11, 2016 @02:41PM (#12687325)
As a Jew, I am deeply offended when MRAs appropriate my people's experiences. Please don't do that.
Re:Women rise through the ranks of IT more rapidly than men by yummyfajitas on Tuesday October 11, 2016 @02:58PM (#12687476)
I'm curious why a historical hypothetical, used as part of a reducto ad absurdum, causes you to have negative feelings. Could you explain?

Also, do you have any principle beyond "I have negative feelings" which suggests I shouldn't discuss certain human experiences? If so, what is it?

Re:Women rise through the ranks of IT more rapidly than men by tptacek on Tuesday October 11, 2016 @02:28PM (#12687155)
I have worked in and around startups for my entire career and never once met a founder who told me that they had left their previous job because women were being promoted at it. Never even once. And I've collaborated with some politically colorful founders.

Someone, I'm sure, will rebut this comment with an example of a successful founder who started their company due to oppressive affirmative action policies. But you worded your comment as if this was some kind of obvious industry norm. It is not; you should reword.

Re:Women rise through the ranks of IT more rapidly than men by tajen on Tuesday October 11, 2016 @04:50PM (#12688418)
> some kind of obvious industry norm. It is not; you should reword.

OP's study about women being promoted 25% faster than men just means it's an industry norm to promote women.

At least nowadays. I'd like to attract your attention that the world is changing, I'm happy with more equality at my workplace, and women were obviously oppressed in workplaces I've been to 10 years ago. Just, at least, not today in UK anyway.

Re:Women rise through the ranks of IT more rapidly than men by chillingeffect on Tuesday October 11, 2016 @02:36PM (#12687264)
Like much repression, we are not conscious to it. When it's not validated to us by a larger movement in terms we can perceive, it's easy to convince ourselves it's not happening and it's actually a problem with ourselves. Just as the contemporary feminist movement is making excellent and impressive strides to wake us up to the reality of how men have been extraordinarily repressing women, studies like this are the first beams of light pointing out that which we could never previously put words to.

Also, you mention your experience is focused in the startup world, which differs from the employment scene at large.