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Re:Barack Obama: America Will Take the Giant Leap to Mars by ipince on Tuesday October 11, 2016 @11:41AM (#12685406)
> why would an entrepreneur want to set up shop on Mars?

? New environment, new markets, new needs = lots of new and potentially huge opportunities. I'm asking myself the complete opposite question.

Re:Barack Obama: America Will Take the Giant Leap to Mars by ars on Tuesday October 11, 2016 @12:13PM (#12685754)
There's nothing there. Did you setup shop on Antarctica? No? That's because there's nothing there. Same with Mars.

Go for the knowledge, but as far as ordinary human things are concerned there is no reason to go.

Until you can make an economic case for settling the poles you won't be able to make one for Mars - and the poles are LOT easier to live on BTW.

We have a base on the poles for the same reason we'll have one on Mars.

Re:Barack Obama: America Will Take the Giant Leap to Mars by krisroadruck on Tuesday October 11, 2016 @02:12PM (#12686980)
You can't set up shop in Antarctica because its forbidden by the antarctic treaty, which is backed by 32 Nations. If you think people wouldn't be conducting business there if given the option, you've somehow managed to overlook every other corner of the world where its not prohibited. Mining businesses. Tourism/adventure companies. Setting up stores, bars, and other entertainment venues to supply tourists and miners with things to do and stuff to buy. These are just a few things I can think of off the top of my head that would be happening in Antarctica if it weren't patently illegal.
Re:Barack Obama: America Will Take the Giant Leap to Mars by planteen on Tuesday October 11, 2016 @03:13PM (#12687606)
Two countries close to Antarctica, Chile and Argentina, are not signatories to the Antarctic Treaty and have territorial claims. Both of these countries already have a decent amount of natural resource extraction (especially Chile), so one would reason that if it is worth mining, they would be.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argentine_Antarctica https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chilean_Antarctic_Territory

One could also look at the interior of Greenland, which is Danish territory. No serious development of any kind occurs there - it's all along the coasts.

Re:Barack Obama: America Will Take the Giant Leap to Mars by anexprogrammer on Tuesday October 11, 2016 @03:47PM (#12687920)
Er, Chile and Argentina are original Treaty (1959) signatories, and dispute at least some of Britain and France's claims, and vice versa.

The treaty sets aside territorial claims whilst it's in force. All the claims for all countries are still there, just neutered.

Re:Barack Obama: America Will Take the Giant Leap to Mars by planteen on Tuesday October 11, 2016 @08:22PM (#12689560)
You are right. Not sure how I missed that
Re:Barack Obama: America Will Take the Giant Leap to Mars by tdaltonc on Tuesday October 11, 2016 @02:37PM (#12687272)
> Tourism/adventure companies

That is legal in Antartica. It's just really expensive and there aren't a lot of people who want to do it.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-08-17/white-dese...

I don't think you need to make martian mining illegal to discourage the industry. At $500 a lb, no raw materials will be coming to earth from Mars and time soon.

Re:Barack Obama: America Will Take the Giant Leap to Mars by anexprogrammer on Tuesday October 11, 2016 @03:36PM (#12687801)
> there aren't a lot of people who want to do it.

Where do you get that? Tourism is back near pre-bust 40,000, mostly American, a year. The expensive hotel is fully booked 2 of its 4 weeks. With near 40 treaty countries almost no binding changes are agreed, and regular plans to limit numbers remain just that.

http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-30709924 https://www.yahoo.com/news/antarctica-concerns-grow-tourism-... (2013)

Re:Barack Obama: America Will Take the Giant Leap to Mars by sqeaky on Tuesday October 11, 2016 @02:14PM (#12687006)
If you are correct that there is nothing on mars, then perhaps the cheaper to ascend gravity well of the moon will be worth something.

What can be 3d printed on the moon (from plans made on earth) and lifted to a useful place above LEO?

Re:Barack Obama: America Will Take the Giant Leap to Mars by foobarian on Tuesday October 11, 2016 @02:12PM (#12686982)
I think setting up a self sustaining colony in Sahara would be more impressive due to a lack of water. (Which is still more water than is present in Martian soil).
Re:Barack Obama: America Will Take the Giant Leap to Mars by eropple on Tuesday October 11, 2016 @12:02PM (#12685642)
We know what's on Mars and there isn't much there that isn't better sourced here, unless you want to use what you source on Mars itself. And there won't be a significant consumption base there for literally centuries, if ever.

I'm in favor of human off-world activities, but I think it's a joke to make some kind of free-market argument. We should do it because we should do it, not because of invisible hands.

Re:Barack Obama: America Will Take the Giant Leap to Mars by EJTH on Tuesday October 11, 2016 @12:21PM (#12685839)
Consider the free-market thing a small plus in the grand scheme of things. I don't think anyone dreams of going to Mars solely for the business opportunity... Not yet.
Re:Barack Obama: America Will Take the Giant Leap to Mars by alonmower on Tuesday October 11, 2016 @01:53PM (#12686773)
Lower gravity sports leagues?