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Re:Is Facebook’s Massive Open Office Scaring Away Developers? by irrational on Monday October 10, 2016 @12:36PM (#12678149)
When my company moved to an open office plan we, the developers, tried to argue that we needed the ability to concentrate and that this would hinder that. We were told that every job required concentration and that we shouldn't be such prima donnas who think we are special snowflakes. Someday I'm going to get a special snowglobe and shove it down the throat of the sales lady who sits next to me who holds conference calls all day long from her desk.

Unfortunately I love everything else about my job so I'm disinclined to move on.

Re:Is Facebook’s Massive Open Office Scaring Away Developers? by dwc on Monday October 10, 2016 @02:01PM (#12678741)
> the sales lady who sits next to me who holds conference calls all day long from her desk

I've had this situation in the past a few times and to some degree today. If we have to have open office plans then at least take some effort into grouping "talkers" together away from "heads down" people.

Is that so hard? There's no real economic argument, as it's just putting some thought into where people sit. There's no collaboration argument, because people on the same team would site together. Etc. From the reactions when I've brought it up, that's a completely unreasonable request. The whole idea than anyone's productivity might benefit from a quiet work environment seems to make management/HR upset.

Re:Is Facebook’s Massive Open Office Scaring Away Developers? by gnashville on Monday October 10, 2016 @02:37PM (#12678976)
Seems your wrath is better aimed at those who implemented an open floor plan, not the lady doing her job.
Re:Is Facebook’s Massive Open Office Scaring Away Developers? by irrational on Monday October 10, 2016 @03:47PM (#12679347)
Well, I'd never be able to find the people who implemented the open floor plan. That's one of the problems with huge companies - the guilty are to often anonymous ;-)

The problem with the sales person is that there are room set aside for making phone calls (whether personal or business) and there are always some available, but apparently that is entirely too unreasonable to expect someone with a laptop to go find a room instead of letting everyone in a 30 foot radius listen in on the call.

Re:Is Facebook’s Massive Open Office Scaring Away Developers? by ryandrake on Monday October 10, 2016 @04:35PM (#12679612)
Have you asked her?
Re:Is Facebook’s Massive Open Office Scaring Away Developers? by glangdale on Monday October 10, 2016 @06:19PM (#12680186)
Good question. In the past we've had some issues with this, and it's possible to mildly influence volume and "out in public" call frequency downward by asking. But it requires a combination of a thick hide and some institutional status to make it happen. If the person you are asking is a peer or a senior, forget it.
Re:Is Facebook’s Massive Open Office Scaring Away Developers? by irrational on Monday October 10, 2016 @07:29PM (#12680619)
Yes. She doesn't care.
Re:Is Facebook’s Massive Open Office Scaring Away Developers? by gnashville on Monday October 10, 2016 @07:58PM (#12680813)
Ah, should have assumed you already did your homework. Sounds rough man, sorry.
Re:Is Facebook’s Massive Open Office Scaring Away Developers? by largote on Monday October 10, 2016 @09:21PM (#12681244)
Escalate to your manager, he should have a chat with her manager.
Re:Is Facebook’s Massive Open Office Scaring Away Developers? by irrational on Tuesday October 11, 2016 @12:17AM (#12681849)
It's not that simple. She has been around a long time and even though she isn't a manager, seniority goes a long way at my company. My manager has mentioned it to her, but realistically that's as far as he can take it.
Re:Is Facebook’s Massive Open Office Scaring Away Developers? by effie on Tuesday October 11, 2016 @10:12AM (#12684500)
Ask for a place farther from her, perhaps switching with some other talkative colleague in a better spot. If manager rises eyebrows, argue that she is too loud and inconsiderate(unscrupulous) to other people. Even better if more colleagues share this view, make a move together.
Re:Is Facebook’s Massive Open Office Scaring Away Developers? by deckard1 on Monday October 10, 2016 @08:10PM (#12680909)
I feel your pain.

Few years ago my company switched to an open office layout. There was a temporary arrangement issue, so I had to sit in the sales section of the floor for a few weeks. I don't think I accomplished a single thing the entire time I was there. Constant phone calls, loud talking across multiple rows of desks. It was like that scene in the movie Wall Street. The guy behind me was incapable of properly using a keyboard. He would mash the keys down as if he was angry at them. Never heard such noise from squishy dome keys before. Jesus.

Re:Is Facebook’s Massive Open Office Scaring Away Developers? by irrational on Tuesday October 11, 2016 @12:18AM (#12681851)
That really funny because I'm a developer attached to global sales at my company ;-)
Re:Is Facebook’s Massive Open Office Scaring Away Developers? by richardthered on Monday October 10, 2016 @05:04PM (#12679764)
Have you seen "Makers vs Managers" ? http://paulgraham.com/makersschedule.html
Re:Is Facebook’s Massive Open Office Scaring Away Developers? by irrational on Thursday October 13, 2016 @02:16PM (#12702824)
Yes, I actually used to have a copy of it posted on my wall until too many "managers" mocked me for it. In my experience, those who are not "makers" truly truly truly do not comprehend in the smallest way what concentration, interruptions, meetings, etc. mean from a developers standpoint.
Re:Is Facebook’s Massive Open Office Scaring Away Developers? by jsprogrammer on Monday October 10, 2016 @12:46PM (#12678229)
Every job requires concentration, so the company interrupts everyone?
Re:Is Facebook’s Massive Open Office Scaring Away Developers? by irrational on Tuesday October 11, 2016 @12:20AM (#12681855)
I think a developers definition of concentration differs from their definition of concentration.
Re:Is Facebook’s Massive Open Office Scaring Away Developers? by johnward on Monday October 10, 2016 @02:37PM (#12678977)
I've had the opposite experience. As a software consultant I'm often on client calls. Our developers decided that a gong was the way to signal stand up time. They eventually moved to bongo drums. I don't know what they do now. I work from home.