Re:IP Spoofing
by collinmanderson on Saturday October 08, 2016 @10:09AM
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It's fine to have a public UDP server on the internet. Just make sure it can't be used to amplify/mirror attacks.
QUIC uses tokens for example. https://docs.google.com/document/d/1g5nIXAIkN_Y-7XJW5K45IblH...
That's not even enough. The token generation can be used as an amplification vector.
That's why this approach of attacking UDP instead of spoofing is misguided.
All the orgs suffering from amplification attacks from services using UDP. DNS, NTP, chargen, etc.
Is udp/chargen really a useful publically exposed protocol? Does it provide a benefit over tcp/chargen?
Most of the fine people running chargen servers seem to be running the server from Microsoft services for UNIX package which is configured to send giant fragmented responses, and then they have a firewall that drops the first fragment. Thanks a lot guys.
Those organizations are unfortunately confused and are not directing their frustrations towards the real cause (ISPs which allow spoofing).
Re:IP Spoofing
by openasocket on Friday October 07, 2016 @05:58PM
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... do people still use chargen? Are there seriously still chargen servers in the world?
What? What crusade? I love UDP, use it every chance I get.
Who is "crusading" to end UDP on the Internet?