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Re:America’s ‘quiet catastrophe’: Millions of idle men by 11thEarlOfMar on Wednesday October 05, 2016 @09:05PM (#12649323)
>> Donald Trump, is perhaps perverse evidence that some of his army of angry men are at least healthily unhappy about the loss of meaning, self-esteem and masculinity that is a consequence of chosen and protracted idleness.

This is a part of my theory as well. There are several groups of Americans who have had a bad time of it over the last 10-15 years. Many of them/us fall into more than one group, whether its chronically unemployed, or paying more than $20,000/yr. for health insurance, or staring at a $160,000 tuition bill per child. Many voters feel neglected by policy makers and point the finger at lobbyists and elected officials becoming too, say, symbiotic in Washington. Trump calls them out, and his outlandish proclamations of wrongdoing and wrongheadedness resonate. When you add these groups up, it turns out to be a lot of Americans because, in my view at least, this has been going on for a long time.

Re:America’s ‘quiet catastrophe’: Millions of idle men by ac29 on Wednesday October 05, 2016 @11:14PM (#12649961)
>$160,000 tuition bill per child

This is the approximate tuition for 4 years at Harvard (@ $40k/year), and not at all representative of the the real cost of university degrees in the US. Tuition at state schools, which are often quite good, is much less. CSU schools, where I went to school, estimate total cost of attendance at about $25k/year [0] split roughly evenly between school costs and living costs... on the high end (less if you live with family, or in a lower cost area of California). Anecdotally, I can verify these numbers.

Unless you are a very high net worth family, $160k for college tuition is overpriced.

[0] http://www.calstate.edu/sas/costofattendance/

Re:America’s ‘quiet catastrophe’: Millions of idle men by 11thEarlOfMar on Thursday October 06, 2016 @02:05AM (#12650536)
I wrote 'tuition' but was talking about 'total cost', which is what matters. Harvard is $65,000 | $260,000 [0]

I'm paying for UC Davis, $35,000 | $140,000 [1]

My next kid wants to go to Loyola Marymount, $63,000 | $252,000 [2]

Average student loan debt in 2005 was $15,600

Average student loan dept in 2016 was $37,000 [3]

[0] https://college.harvard.edu/financial-aid/how-aid-works/cost...

[1] https://www.ucdavis.edu/admissions/cost/

[2] http://financialaid.lmu.edu/generalinformation/costofattenda...

[3] http://www.cbsnews.com/news/congrats-class-of-2016-youre-the...

Re:America’s ‘quiet catastrophe’: Millions of idle men by actsasbuffoon on Thursday October 06, 2016 @06:49AM (#12651409)
Student loan debt often exceeds $100k for people with post graduate degrees.
Re:America’s ‘quiet catastrophe’: Millions of idle men by solipsism on Wednesday October 05, 2016 @09:13PM (#12649361)
One of those groups who have had a bad time of it, for example, is African American males. If your theory doesn't include race (and racism), it's woefully incomplete.
Re:America’s ‘quiet catastrophe’: Millions of idle men by michaelchisari on Wednesday October 05, 2016 @09:30PM (#12649442)
HN doesn't like your comment, but it brings up a good point.

Groups that have had (or have had the promise of) something react differently when that something is taken away, compared to groups that never had (or were promised) it in the first place.

There were never the same promises made to black men as were made to white men. So while black men have lost that nebulous "american dream", they're much less interested in demagoguery and strongman solutions.

A portion of white men, however, might feel a sense of strong injustice at losing something that has felt almost like our birthright. Others might change their perspective and realize that the promise was never all that concrete to begin with.

Re:America’s ‘quiet catastrophe’: Millions of idle men by adventured on Wednesday October 05, 2016 @10:53PM (#12649879)
> they're much less interested in demagoguery and strongman solutions

The existence of the Black Panther Party and numerous similar movements for decades, says otherwise. Louis Farrakhan is an obvious recent example of a demagogue.

Re:America’s ‘quiet catastrophe’: Millions of idle men by michaelchisari on Thursday October 06, 2016 @04:05AM (#12650896)
Farrakhan's support is over grossly over-exaggerated, and the BPP often mischaracterized.
Re:America’s ‘quiet catastrophe’: Millions of idle men by jombiezebus on Wednesday October 05, 2016 @09:58PM (#12649638)
I think the reasoning goes: mass underemployment -> discontent -> voting for in-group-identifying representative to fight on their behalf. There may be many black men who have reached the second step, but who view Trump as an outsider (from their perspective) and have not found a substitute representative (i.e., their "black Trump").