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Re:Not OK, Google by ubercore on Wednesday October 05, 2016 @11:58AM (#12644982)
To my mind, leading a simple life is enjoying a burger at a restaurant/bar I frequent already. Simplicity _is_ accepting that Google algorithmically noticed a trend and just helped me do things I already do.
Re:Not OK, Google by Koshkin on Wednesday October 05, 2016 @12:10PM (#12645116)
Yes, traps are usually designed so that it is simple to get into them. It is not that cheese is bad, it is that you are trapped.
Re:Not OK, Google by blhack on Wednesday October 05, 2016 @12:38PM (#12645413)
Are you comparing something designed to kill a rat with something designed to help me go to a burger place I like, or leave on time for work?
Re:Not OK, Google by mikestew on Wednesday October 05, 2016 @06:09PM (#12648398)
Yes, because when one has already decided that feature $FOO is a trap, any further discussion is likely to be limited to describing how "yes, just like a trap is designed to...so is the thing we're talking about" whether the analogy is apt or not. Something something supporting a narrative.
Re:Not OK, Google by marcosdumay on Wednesday October 05, 2016 @02:37PM (#12646528)
Yes. How does Google make money of this service again?
Re:Not OK, Google by Sargos on Wednesday October 05, 2016 @03:30PM (#12646993)
By having burger places pay money to get on the list of places it helpfully gives us when we want to eat a tasty burger. I still get my tasty burger.
Re:Not OK, Google by Eupolemos on Wednesday October 05, 2016 @06:46PM (#12648623)
Before replying, you could at least have made an effort to understand what I meant with the distinction between simple and easy.

If you do not care what I say, why even reply?

Re:Not OK, Google by verytrivial on Wednesday October 05, 2016 @12:17PM (#12645195)
Sorry, who's mind? It sound like you are renting it out.
Re:Not OK, Google by ubercore on Wednesday October 05, 2016 @12:20PM (#12645234)
Presumptuous much? Comments like yours are what makes discussions like this so difficult, and so much less interesting.
Re:Not OK, Google by orpheansodality on Wednesday October 05, 2016 @12:32PM (#12645373)
Do you never use digital tools to outsource mental effort? Seems like a similar argument could be made for using a calculator.
Re:Not OK, Google by ocdtrekkie on Wednesday October 05, 2016 @02:08PM (#12646260)
Calculators provide you a completely fair assistance with your query. There is zero bias in a calculator. If you ask it what two plus two is, you're going to get four.

Google is designed to sell ads, and subtly influence your behavior towards the most profitable results. Please do not confuse a fact-based tool with an ad generator.

Re:Not OK, Google by euyyn on Wednesday October 05, 2016 @06:38PM (#12648571)
> subtly influence your behavior towards the most profitable results

This is the very common theory that a company will (shadily) try to offer you a worse product to make more profit. It fails to account for competing companies that would jump on that opportunity to offer their better product, and get the market share.

But what's funny here is that the suggested alternative is to not get any product at all. As in: "Poor OP, didn't realize that it wasn't really him who was enjoying that burger he was enjoying."

Re:Not OK, Google by ocdtrekkie on Wednesday October 05, 2016 @06:48PM (#12648635)
"Worse" is often subjective. And the problem is often just the removal of the possibility of a better product to take hold. For example, Google prioritizes Google services. It gets you on as many Google services as possible. Let's use, say, that it pushes you towards Play Music when you search for songs.

Maybe Play Music is the best thing. Maybe it is not. Neither of us can answer that. But if a definitively better product comes along it will have no way to make a foothold because Google is still pushing everyone to their own product, from their other product (Search), and even when people try your product, if they use Google's other products, they'll tend to stick to other Google products.

Honestly, the worst problem with companies like Google is vertical integration. The ability to provide a wide product line where you integrate best with other products your own company makes has an incredibly chilling effect on competition, and therefore, innovation.

And if your theory that companies prioritizing results for profit would lose to companies that always prefer the best products, why is DuckDuckGo still in what... fourth or fifth place?

Re:Not OK, Google by euyyn on Wednesday October 05, 2016 @08:19PM (#12649132)
> And if your theory that companies prioritizing results for profit would lose to companies that always prefer the best products, why is DuckDuckGo still in what... fourth or fifth place?

You'd need to argue that DuckDuckGo's search results are better; I don't think they are. That's what made Google first among many competing search engines, before there was even a clear business model in it. Today the incentive to outperform is bigger.

If a product Y definitely better than X comes along, and only Google Search fails to rank it higher, people will start thinking "I rather search on Bing too, as it finds better products in this category".