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Re:Why Podcasting Still Needs RSS by kgwxd on Tuesday October 04, 2016 @03:27PM (#12638562)
Everything still needs RSS! There is no better way of getting notifications. I don't have to create an account, I don't have to give out my email and I don't have to re-search through everything I've already read or decided not to read. I canceled my YouTube account a while ago, realized I sort of missed a few channels and found myself just trying to remember to check their pages every now and then. Then I realized YouTube channels actually have hidden RSS feeds. The experience is better than what you get with a YouTube account. The number you see next to the channel actually indicates the number of videos uploaded to that channel that you haven't seen yet. I still have no clue what the numbers next to subscribed channels meant when I had an account.
Re:Why Podcasting Still Needs RSS by nandhp on Tuesday October 04, 2016 @04:27PM (#12639167)
Yes, I switched to YouTube RSS feeds a few weeks ago and it is so much better than YouTube's subscription notifications.

- The message subject has the video title - You can subscribe to playlists - Notifications aren't randomly lost (a new feature YouTube launched a few weeks ago)

It's amazing, so they'll probably deprecate the RSS feeds next week.

[As to the software, I'm trying out rss2email with patches to include media thumbnails]

Re:Why Podcasting Still Needs RSS by exolymph on Tuesday October 04, 2016 @06:38PM (#12640183)
> It's amazing, so they'll probably deprecate the RSS feeds next week.

2 real

Re:Why Podcasting Still Needs RSS by robobro on Tuesday October 04, 2016 @03:47PM (#12638749)
I would argue that ATOM is better: http://www.intertwingly.net/wiki/pie/Rss20AndAtom10Compared#...

Sure, they're both automatically generated / automatically read, but ATOM seems like an improvement syntactically ...

http://nullprogram.com/blog/2013/09/23/

Re:Why Podcasting Still Needs RSS by onli on Tuesday October 04, 2016 @04:24PM (#12639143)
I worked on both Atom and RSS Feeds for blogging engines. Frankly, Atom had for me no real advantage. RSS is easy to generate, and it is supported properly by so many clients that Atom can be comfortably ignored. Stuff like the guid not being a guid work in practice just fine.
Re:Why Podcasting Still Needs RSS by redwall_hp on Tuesday October 04, 2016 @05:01PM (#12639435)
To be honest, they're basically interchangeable. Most parsing libraries will handle both, and it's entirely down to preference.
Re:Why Podcasting Still Needs RSS by firasd on Tuesday October 04, 2016 @06:20PM (#12640051)
But working on a blogging engine (producing feeds) or saying parsing libraries will handle it is just externalizing the problems with RSS to the consumers. That's where the real pain point is: understanding the content of an RSS feed, especially when thousands of feeds can have a multitude of different quirks.
Re:Why Podcasting Still Needs RSS by narrowrail on Tuesday October 04, 2016 @05:45PM (#12639770)
From my [not extensive] research, ATOM open source libraries have better support for authenticated feeds.
Re:Why Podcasting Still Needs RSS by talideon on Wednesday October 05, 2016 @04:44AM (#12642395)
The problem isn't generation, but consumption. If you're consuming feeds, Atom is significantly better than RSS because it's better specified.
Re:Why Podcasting Still Needs RSS by gkya on Tuesday October 04, 2016 @04:31PM (#12639211)
Well they are both the same as a medium, that is apart from technical benefits to the producer and the consumer programmes, they are both easy, easy to implement, easy to publish, easy to (un)?subscribe and free of third-party involvement.
Re:Why Podcasting Still Needs RSS by monksy on Tuesday October 04, 2016 @04:00PM (#12638895)
I've got to agree with this a lot. With email, the information is forcefully pushed to you, with RSS it's a lot easier to be anonymous and request the data only for the channels you want.

I'm rather tired of people calling it dead when there is no supporting body that is required to keep the protocol alive.

Re:Why Podcasting Still Needs RSS by aq3cn on Tuesday October 04, 2016 @04:39PM (#12639275)
Masses does not anything beyond what FB or Twitter spoon feed them with.
Re:Why Podcasting Still Needs RSS by narrowrail on Tuesday October 04, 2016 @05:57PM (#12639867)
My controversial opinion is that UI designers favored the commercial implementations because of the persuasion of wealth. But, if I'm being rational, I believe Twitter and FB are teaching people what a feed is and how it is useful. Once these ideas are concretely in the minds of most people, the open source community will have an easier time providing solutions that cater to non-technical folk.
Re:Why Podcasting Still Needs RSS by tacostakohashi on Tuesday October 04, 2016 @10:34PM (#12641215)
Unfortunately, it's actually the opposite.

I'm so old, I actually used to use the RSS feed Facebook provided for their notifications (wall posts) with Google Reader. That's right - there was a point in time when you could consume your Facebook feed via RSS (all in one place, alongside your other feeds), actually provided by Facebook.

The chronology is the other way around. People knew what a feed was and how it was useful, and Facebook worked out how to monopolize it and put their ads into it.

Re:Why Podcasting Still Needs RSS by ryan_test_1 on Wednesday October 05, 2016 @02:00AM (#12641828)
You can still get your Facebook feed via RSS (technically Atom) with a third party app: https://facebook-atom.appspot.com

Also Twitter, Instagram, and Google+:

https://twitter-atom.appspot.com/ https://instagram-atom.appspot.com/ https://plusstreamfeed.appspot.com/

Re:Why Podcasting Still Needs RSS by mblaney on Wednesday October 05, 2016 @04:17AM (#12642262)
I use these Facebook and Twitter feed converters (via my feed reader: https://unicyclic.com) every day. Thanks Ryan!
Re:Why Podcasting Still Needs RSS by aq3cn on Wednesday October 05, 2016 @12:43AM (#12641595)
I hope they still provide RSS of notifications and public posts. Last time, I checked they used to do that.

I am not on Facebook anymore.

Re:Why Podcasting Still Needs RSS by aq3cn on Wednesday October 05, 2016 @12:40AM (#12641588)
They will only teach how superior their services are. If it was in their hand they will make this technology obsolete, if you have doubt look at what is happening to messaging platform. Masses don't know how to join IRC chat room or what it is. RSS word is not in lay man's vocabulary. For example, Flipboard and Feedly, don't teach any of RSS jargon to lay men.
Re:Why Podcasting Still Needs RSS by aq3cn on Tuesday October 04, 2016 @04:34PM (#12639231)
I must agree with on this and add that it's these giants which are driven to make it obsolete. I don't want AI to decide news feeds for me, when I can set my own filters for specific news from my news sources in TinyRSS. These giants are taking away control from my hands in name of making my life easier. I have given up, no more expectation from their corporate business. Leaving their platform for forever.

I have my own ways to get what I want.

Re:Why Podcasting Still Needs RSS by PhasmaFelis on Tuesday October 04, 2016 @10:20PM (#12641170)
I don't understand how people keep declaring RSS "dead", when I have never yet found a site I wanted to follow that didn't support it.
Re:Why Podcasting Still Needs RSS by spikej on Tuesday October 04, 2016 @11:10PM (#12641303)
There are TONS now; Especially newer static generated sites where the owners don't bother setting up RSS
Re:Why Podcasting Still Needs RSS by Jaruzel on Wednesday October 05, 2016 @05:20AM (#12642537)
To be fair it's the new(old) fad of Static Site Generators that are at fault. They don't generate a feed file, or if they do the owners haven't bothered to (or don't know how to) surface it.

Google (and other search engines) have a standard for sitemaps: /sitemap.xml in the root of the site. It'd be nice if there was a similar standard for rss, i.e. /feed.xml - which means browsers and other clients can attempt to auto-discover it.

I know there's the 'link rel="alternate" type="application/rss+xml"' meta-tag but again most users don't know to look for it now that browsers don't have the little icon on the toolbar, and a lot of self-coders/site-generators don't bother to implement it.

At the end of the day, RSS has fallen out of favour due to it's poor support for user-tracking and advert injection - the big sites don't use it for exactly that reason, and the rest of the internet sheep are following suit. It's another nail in the Internet open-standards coffin :(

Re:Why Podcasting Still Needs RSS by bhrgunatha on Tuesday October 04, 2016 @10:27PM (#12641196)
I rely on RSS for podcasts (which I love) and also for both news and information.

I've found nothing better for having a single place where you choose the content and absorb the information at your own pace.

I'm in the minority preferring a desktop application though - so it an sit in the background and I can switch to it for short 5-minute burst every couple of hours rather than visiting a web site.

Sadly there seem to be no desktop apps that are maintained anymore. I'm currently using RSSOwl, but it's no longer being maintained and has started crashing regularly.

Re:Why Podcasting Still Needs RSS by jasonkostempski on Wednesday October 05, 2016 @11:15AM (#12644513)
I've been using QuiteRSS. Active development, cross-platform, GPL, finds RSS feeds in html link tags automatically (how I found YouTube's feeds). I can't think of anything else I want from an RSS reader.
Re:Why Podcasting Still Needs RSS by myrion on Wednesday October 05, 2016 @12:41AM (#12641591)
Thunderbird supports getting RSS and Atom feeds, though it is a bit big for only getting feeds.
Re:Why Podcasting Still Needs RSS by bhrgunatha on Wednesday October 05, 2016 @01:50AM (#12641803)
I already use Thunderbird for mail so I'm going to try it and see how it goes.
Re:Why Podcasting Still Needs RSS by kranner on Tuesday October 04, 2016 @11:37PM (#12641388)
> Sadly there seem to be no desktop apps that are maintained anymore.

iTunes supports RSS if you're on Mac or Windows though it's not obvious (File->Subscribe to podcast... add RSS link)

Re:Why Podcasting Still Needs RSS by bhrgunatha on Wednesday October 05, 2016 @01:49AM (#12641798)
Thanks but I'm on Linux.
Re:Why Podcasting Still Needs RSS by avhon1 on Wednesday October 05, 2016 @03:08AM (#12642016)
Here's an incomplete list of graphical RSS readers for Linux that have had releases in the last year:

QuiteRSS [http://quiterss.org/]

KDE Kontact [https://userbase.kde.org/Kontact]

Liferea [http://lzone.de/liferea/]

RSS Guard [https://github.com/martinrotter/rssguard]

Seamonkey [http://www.seamonkey-project.org/]

Thunderbird [https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/thunderbird/]

Firefox ("live bookmarks") [https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/products/]

In the console, I like newsbeuter [http://www.newsbeuter.org/]

Re:Why Podcasting Still Needs RSS by bhrgunatha on Wednesday October 05, 2016 @04:07AM (#12642222)
That's a great list and some options I haven't seen before I'll try out.
Re:Why Podcasting Still Needs RSS by rakoo on Wednesday October 05, 2016 @04:40AM (#12642376)
I use monboob (http://weboob.org/applications/monboob) on my little VPS to fetch rss feeds and send them to me by email. This way I don't need an extra application, and it is automatically synchronized on all my devices, thanks to yet another decade-old standard: IMAP

(I do need to set some filters on my Gmail so they don't appear in the INBOX, though)

Re:Why Podcasting Still Needs RSS by chipotle_coyote on Wednesday October 05, 2016 @02:38AM (#12641938)
There's Feedreader, at least:

https://jangernert.github.io/FeedReader/

I'm sure there must be others out there for Linux? There are several available for OS X (er, macOS); I use a commercial one called Reeder, but there's also NetNewsWire and the open source ViennaRSS (which appears to still be in active development).

Re:Why Podcasting Still Needs RSS by type0 on Wednesday October 05, 2016 @06:56AM (#12642857)
A couple more tips:

1. offrss 2. Bamboo reader as an extension for Thunderbird