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Re:EU wants Google to stop anti-competitive Android practice... by Steltek on Saturday October 01, 2016 @01:22PM (#12618847)
But the EU charges are about Google's tactics within the Google run Android market. Google isn't leveraging it's monopoly outside of it's own brand either.

The argument hinges on Google not owning or operating Android. AOSP has been a dead dream for a while now due to carriers locking down phones and Google needing to circle the wagons.

Re:EU wants Google to stop anti-competitive Android practice... by danieldk on Saturday October 01, 2016 @02:07PM (#12619096)
iOS is a luxury brand (remember that carrier subsidies are smaller in the EU and are not allowed in some member states). So, realistically for a lot of people there is only one kind of affordable smartphone and that is an Android phone.

As you mention, AOSP alone does not give you much Android and Google is likely to dictate all kinds of terms to use the Play services, Play Store, etc. So, the question is indeed does AOSP give enough to argue that Google does not fully control the Android market.

Personally, I am not sure this is the most problematic aspect of Android though. If we assume for a moment that Android is a near-monopoly in the EU, the more troubling aspect is that people can only choose between having no smartphone (which is becoming harder) or letting Google suck all kinds of data out of them. In other words, only when you are rich enough, you can afford not to let a company suck up a lot of your private data.

Re:EU wants Google to stop anti-competitive Android practice... by on_and_off on Sunday October 02, 2016 @09:40AM (#12622265)
not sure that the argument that iOS is a luxury brand holds up in most european countries where you can just as well get an iOS or Android device with the same subsidization from the carrier (especially since Apple does not only sell its last generation high end devices).

There are still a couple of european countries where iOS devices sell extremely poorly. I am not sure if this is because of an absence of subsidies or another reason.

Even if Android is the only option, you can always choose to refuse all data sharing from google, you are not forced to create a google account or to use google play.

Admittedly, it makes things harder for a neophyte.

Re:EU wants Google to stop anti-competitive Android practice... by home_boi on Saturday October 01, 2016 @02:18PM (#12619158)
the info to root your device is free on the internet
Re:EU wants Google to stop anti-competitive Android practice... by ethbro on Saturday October 01, 2016 @02:52PM (#12619324)
*For certain devices
Re:EU wants Google to stop anti-competitive Android practice... by milankragujevic on Saturday October 01, 2016 @03:33PM (#12619511)
Can't repeat this enough. My shitty Android tablet from Huawei that I got for free on contract cannot be rooted and is stuck on Android 4.1 forever, even though it has a modern ARM cpu and 1GB of RAM... :(
Re:EU wants Google to stop anti-competitive Android practice... by Esau on Saturday October 01, 2016 @02:02PM (#12619068)
Android is bigger than Google. Other companies make Android devices.
Re:EU wants Google to stop anti-competitive Android practice... by danieldk on Saturday October 01, 2016 @02:08PM (#12619105)
Google can exert a large amount of control over device makers --- Android without Google Play Services and the Google Play Store is pretty useless. (Unless you have Amazon's scale and can clone all that.)
Re:EU wants Google to stop anti-competitive Android practice... by totitipo on Saturday October 01, 2016 @02:58PM (#12619350)
Android without Google Play Services/Store is not useless at all. Ask any Chinese Android user.
Re:EU wants Google to stop anti-competitive Android practice... by ocdtrekkie on Saturday October 01, 2016 @03:13PM (#12619414)
In China, apps Chinese citizens want are available in app stores available there. Everywhere else, Android apps people want are solely available through Google's store. And the only reason China has a competitive Android market: Google doesn't operate there. In fact, China proves what's so bad about the Play Store: We can definitively see how much more freedom exists if Google is axed from the equation.
Re:EU wants Google to stop anti-competitive Android practice... by Fazzle on Saturday October 01, 2016 @06:09PM (#12620097)
I don't think most of the Chinese app stores are good examples though. Too much piracy, too many repackaged apps and security nightmares.
Re:EU wants Google to stop anti-competitive Android practice... by hooluupog on Saturday October 01, 2016 @09:59PM (#12620753)
On the contrary,China proves what's so bad without the Play Store and GCM.Android is a mess there.
Re:EU wants Google to stop anti-competitive Android practice... by tarancato on Saturday October 01, 2016 @02:17PM (#12619154)
>AOSP has been a dead dream for a while now due to carriers locking down phones

That's only in the US.

Let's be honest here, AOSP is a dead dream because porting and maintaining AOSP for a device is kinda complicated. Many people do it for free, but you can't rely on that.

Re:EU wants Google to stop anti-competitive Android practice... by IshKebab on Saturday October 01, 2016 @03:12PM (#12619408)
No, AOSP is a dead dream because Google moved essential code into Google Play Services, which isn't open source.
Re:EU wants Google to stop anti-competitive Android practice... by rhodysurf on Saturday October 01, 2016 @08:21PM (#12620493)
You can write plenty of good apps without google play services. Thats hyperbole.
Re:EU wants Google to stop anti-competitive Android practice... by ocdtrekkie on Saturday October 01, 2016 @08:39PM (#12620542)
You can. But since almost nobody does, there's no viable use for a phone without it. Bear in mind, even Microsoft, who was part of starting this investigation against Google... Even Microsoft's apps like Outlook and Skype won't run without Play Services installed and enabled.
Re:EU wants Google to stop anti-competitive Android practice... by tarancato on Saturday October 01, 2016 @03:30PM (#12619491)
Essential code such as what? Can't you boot AOSP without installing the Google apps?
Re:EU wants Google to stop anti-competitive Android practice... by IshKebab on Monday October 03, 2016 @03:14PM (#12630412)
You can but a huge number of apps use Google Play Services and you can't use those. I suppose technically you couldn't get them anyway since you don't have Google Play, but anyway.

GPS includes stuff like location services, Firebase, Chromecast, analytics, Google account authentication, Google Drive APIs, all the game stuff, Android Pay, etc.

Re:EU wants Google to stop anti-competitive Android practice... by cwyers on Saturday October 01, 2016 @04:08PM (#12619665)
Essential code for apps written against the platform's official APIs.