Re:Lost Diamonds: How our current system is failing underpri...
by hueving on Thursday September 29, 2016 @03:08PM
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>I absolutely would take away from their success
Why? Because they are an asshole about it? That doesn't reduce their success in any way. If they have offset the losses of their previous endeavors, they have provided a net gain and it's still a success.
Re:Lost Diamonds: How our current system is failing underpri...
by st3v3r on Thursday September 29, 2016 @05:26PM
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Because they're an asshole about it, and because they're ignoring the pure luck advantages they had which made their success possible. And it doesn't matter if they've offset the losses of their previous tries, they still took multiple tries (in and of itself not a problem), which is something most people don't get.
Re:Lost Diamonds: How our current system is failing underpri...
by oldmanjay on Thursday September 29, 2016 @06:23PM
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Let me ask a question - what does your attitude benefit you? It seems mostly to make you bitter about things that were never in your control, which seems like an unvarnished negative. Maybe you've found something more helpful.
Re:Lost Diamonds: How our current system is failing underpri...
by majormajor on Thursday September 29, 2016 @08:01PM
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I don't think many people have an attitude of "we need to recognize built-in advantages, and should call out people who try to play down or hide them" to benefit themselves - it's an attitude and position adopted to try to benefit those without those advantages. E.g. by showing a beneficial side of certain social safety net policies, or the downside of the default position becoming graduating with massive amounts of student debt, etc.
Re:Lost Diamonds: How our current system is failing underpri...
by st3v3r on Thursday September 29, 2016 @08:05PM
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I'm not bitter, I just think that guy is an asshole.
Re:Lost Diamonds: How our current system is failing underpri...
by hueving on Thursday September 29, 2016 @08:09PM
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With that attitude, nobody could ever take any credit for success because there is someone else that had it harder.
"Warren Buffet didn't do anything impressive because he grew up with his parents."
What a petty way to live.
Re:Lost Diamonds: How our current system is failing underpri...
by st3v3r on Thursday September 29, 2016 @08:23PM
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Warren Buffet doesn't discourage and shit on those who haven't been able to do what he has. Again, I would discount the person's success because they're an asshole, and refusing to acknowledge that they were given many privileges and benefits by pure random luck. Buffet routinely acknowledges that he had lots of help getting to where he is today.
Re:Lost Diamonds: How our current system is failing underpri...
by simplemath on Friday September 30, 2016 @12:54AM
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thats both a false dichotomy and a strawman.
Well played
Re:Lost Diamonds: How our current system is failing underpri...
by eanzenberg on Friday September 30, 2016 @12:07AM
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Because a lot of humanity wants to shit on others' successes. It's why it's mostly futile to seek outward validation.
Don't get me wrong; finding success is hard, and whenever someone does find it, it should be celebrated. But those that do find it shouldn't discount the struggles of those who aren't able to try, especially if it takes them several tried to find it themselves.