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Re:Mozilla has stopped all commercial development on Firefox OS by vegabook on Tuesday September 27, 2016 @09:54AM (#12589579)
Unfortunately it's also JVM [edit: Java] on the phone.
Re:Mozilla has stopped all commercial development on Firefox OS by pjmlp on Tuesday September 27, 2016 @10:02AM (#12589630)
It is a fork of the Java language with its own AOT/JIT compiler, nothing to do with a certified JVM.
Re:Mozilla has stopped all commercial development on Firefox OS by vegabook on Tuesday September 27, 2016 @10:50AM (#12589986)
Larry Ellison doesn't seem to agree with your "nothing to do with [...] JVM" assertion, to the tune of a 9.3 billion USD lawsuit, and indeed Google itself is developing Fuchsia with no java stack at all in it.

Moreover, it's not Linux if you have to use a Java API to do anything useful.

Re:Mozilla has stopped all commercial development on Firefox OS by pjmlp on Tuesday September 27, 2016 @12:05PM (#12590620)
Nothing to do from the point of view of the headaches that brings to those of us that care about Java.

And everything to do regarding being a fork on the Java ecosystem, and I side with Oracle.

It remains to be seen if Brillo or Fuchsia will have any relevance on the market, even when coming from Google.

Re:Mozilla has stopped all commercial development on Firefox OS by vegabook on Friday September 30, 2016 @04:02PM (#12614909)
and I'm not a java lover as you can tell, but I can super-appreciate that for java guys, having some fork that tries to be java-not-java and confuses the ecosystem, is a pain in the butt. Be java fully committed and move it forward, or leave java well alone. Don't sit there and create a java version of the Python 2/3 mess that screws everyting up. I can totally appreciate that. Well put.
Re:Mozilla has stopped all commercial development on Firefox OS by jsight on Tuesday September 27, 2016 @11:23AM (#12590279)
The lawsuit was not about the VM.
Re:Mozilla has stopped all commercial development on Firefox OS by vegabook on Tuesday September 27, 2016 @11:33AM (#12590350)
Look. The gist of the comment is that Android forces you to use java, or at the very least, a java API. You can dance around semantics as much as you like, but it will not change the fact that, unlike Linux, Android is intricately interlinked with java.
Re:Mozilla has stopped all commercial development on Firefox OS by djsumdog on Tuesday September 27, 2016 @11:31AM (#12590336)
It's a subset of Java, with a totally different compiler, JIT, etc. Newer versions don't even use Dalvic, but compile/cache the bytecode into ELF/machine code.
Re:Mozilla has stopped all commercial development on Firefox OS by vegabook on Tuesday September 27, 2016 @11:45AM (#12590457)
What does it matter what's underneath? At the visible layer which most of us have to use, it's java.