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Re:Autism and Evolution by nickpsecurity on Monday September 26, 2016 @11:54AM (#12582871)
I went the other way with it: high-functioning autism is a component of more-evolved humans. The autistics are more rational, often less selfish in my anecdotal experience, and cause almost no harm to others vs baseline. A world full of them would've largely eliminated famine, pollution, war, violent crime. It would be a fraction of what we see. Further, autistics and introverts are often behind many great advances that push progress of our species forward. That would increase greatly.

So, I've always thought of us as the next thing after homo sapiens. Jokingly call it Neosapiens from a cartoon as it was a cool name. Not likely to actually happen but a nice example of how the world might have been better. My ideal one, though, preserves the different types of people with two modifications: built-in mechanism where causing harm to others makes individual experience personal pain; built-in need to connect outside local sphere to reduce isolationism. These two would keep world more interesting than the safe, autistic one while also eliminating many problems. Just two, small changes in the brain.

Re:Autism and Evolution by roywiggins on Monday September 26, 2016 @03:05PM (#12584659)
There's no such thing as being more evolved. More fit, maybe. We're all as evolved as each other.

Otherwise you end up having to debate whether people with lactose tolerance are more evolved than people without, and so on. It gets messy.

Also, the history of eugenics. Autistic people have been sterilized and institutionalized, really quite recently. So I'm allergic to talk about people being more or less evolved.

Re:Autism and Evolution by wpietri on Monday September 26, 2016 @02:56PM (#12584577)
I like this.

Personally, I am not big on better/worse, but just different. E.g., we could look at white people as a weird mutation of true humans, one shockingly prone to skin cancer. Of course, as a white person, I'd rather see myself as an equally valid kind of human.

For a while I've been wondering what the DSM would look like if non-neurotypical people were in the majority. If we had a diganostic category for what we now call "normal" levels of sociality, selfishness, manipulation, violence, etc.

Re:Autism and Evolution by nickpsecurity on Tuesday September 27, 2016 @12:12AM (#12587387)
"For a while I've been wondering what the DSM would look like if non-neurotypical people were in the majority. If we had a diganostic category for what we now call "normal" levels of sociality, selfishness, manipulation, violence, etc."

Interestingly, I think a good chunk of the diagnosis would be the autistic equivalent of what normal people call psychopaths. They'd be seen as irrational and dangerous, esp in groups.

Re:Autism and Evolution by gertef on Monday September 26, 2016 @02:24PM (#12584309)
OTOH, a world full of people with autism might never be able to come together and build large group projects. Autism might work well for creating in the computer+Internet age (but I have doubts that non-autism traits are totally unnecessary), but much less likely to work in lower-tech society.
Re:Autism and Evolution by nickpsecurity on Tuesday September 27, 2016 @12:13AM (#12587389)
"OTOH, a world full of people with autism might never be able to come together and build large group projects. "

This was a problem for the Autreat conference. It was made by autistics for autistics. The coordination required to create it was a big problem. I wonder if things would get better if they were the norm. I'm not sure.

Re:Autism and Evolution by psyc on Monday September 26, 2016 @03:57PM (#12585042)
I don't know. I for one love working with people as long as the focus stays on the goal and not on interpersonal stuff.
Re:Autism and Evolution by CuriouslyC on Monday September 26, 2016 @08:50PM (#12586832)
Why do you have to be something different, the next thing after? Other highly coordinated organisms like ants, bees and termites have evolved morphologically distinct developmental paths. Couldn't autistics just be in a sense extreme examples of a subtype of human that serves the purpose of disrupting group-think and introducing new ideas into the culture?
Re:Autism and Evolution by nickpsecurity on Tuesday September 27, 2016 @12:11AM (#12587384)
" Couldn't autistics just be in a sense extreme examples of a subtype of human that serves the purpose of disrupting group-think and introducing new ideas into the culture?"

Very well could be.

Re:Autism and Evolution by kragen on Wednesday September 28, 2016 @12:00AM (#12595346)
Did you say "fans are slans"?
Re:Autism and Evolution by nickpsecurity on Wednesday September 28, 2016 @12:10PM (#12598850)
Never heard it before now. Yeah, that fits too. Both the superpowers and persecution. :)