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Re:Autism and Evolution by i14ng on Monday September 26, 2016 @11:15AM (#12582501)
When the autism diagnostic criteria were broadened in the DSM, the people making that change predicted that we would see this rise in diagnostic rates. That was the intent, to help a broader range of people. It's played out slowly as clinicians and schools were retrained. There's also been an increasing incentive to diagnose as autism in addition to intellectual disability when possible, because insurance companies and schools will do a lot more if it's labeled autism.

So we've seen that shift. The diagnostic criteria changed a lot, not just a little, over time.

By coincidence, Wakefield launched his fraudulent crap about vaccines a few years after the criteria were broadened, and that became the popular explanation rather than the fact that the criteria changed. Belief in his BS is perhaps fading but it's still around.

The "epidemic" was predicted and an intentional outcome of the DSM criteria change, though.

If you hang out with a bunch of families with autistic kids, it's very obviously inherited in a large fraction of cases, because the kids are so much like their parents.

Another large fraction is likely genetic in the sense of "de novo" mutation, rather than inherited genes. There's likely also a group of environmental cases, mostly prenatal environmental factors.

Because social function depends on many coordinated aspects of human cognition, any condition that has a fairly global effect on the brain can create traits meeting the autism diagnostic criteria. The criteria are very broad, with many different ways to meet them.

It's important to realize that autism is a broad category, not a single condition, and no proposed single gene or environmental factor ever seems to relate to more than a few percent of cases. https://intellectualizing.net/2013/12/17/book-rethinking-aut...

Some of those causes could well be new to the modern world, but the changing diagnostic criteria do explain most of the expansion in diagnoses already, so there isn't a lot of evidence that we need to be looking for something novel to explain the increased diagnoses.

Re:Autism and Evolution by euyyn on Monday September 26, 2016 @11:22AM (#12582565)
Can you give more details on the "some of them are obviously inherited, because the kids are so much like the parents" part? Kids everywhere are so much like their parents, so the reasoning, as written, is nonsense.
Re:Autism and Evolution by i14ng on Monday September 26, 2016 @01:14PM (#12583645)
Kids often share autistic traits with their parents. The parents are either diagnosable themselves or very nearly so.

My son is the third or fourth generation to be likely-diagnosable, for example.

Currently-middle-aged parents without intellectual disability had almost zero chance of being diagnosed as children, because when we were kids autism was defined such that you usually had to be nonverbal or intellectually disabled to qualify.

A very commonly-reported experience is for parents to be diagnosed after their children are diagnosed.

Re:Autism and Evolution by i14ng on Monday September 26, 2016 @01:24PM (#12583735)
To clarify, I'm not trying to argue definitively that these traits are all genetic vs. acquired by watching one's parents. Perhaps it's some mix, though mostly-genetic seems likely to me. I _am_ trying to say that often the traits run in families, which argues against external causes such as vaccines and chemicals.
Re:Autism and Evolution by scardine on Monday September 26, 2016 @12:32PM (#12583259)
Families with one autistic child do have an increased risk of having a second child with the disorder.

There are some evidence that hints to genetic factors. For example, we know that boys are at much higher risk than girls, but we don't know why. Similarly, we know that older parents are more likely to have autistic children—but again, we don't know why.

See https://www.verywell.com/autism-4014759

Re:Autism and Evolution by kmonsen on Monday September 26, 2016 @01:23PM (#12583721)
This could just as well apply to environmental factors though, siblings probably share those.

Also the boy/girl factor could be explained by different behaviors, so different exposures.

Not saying I know anything about this, or that this is the case, just that the increased family risk and boy/girl risk doesn't mean it is genetics.

Re:Autism and Evolution by dsacco on Monday September 26, 2016 @02:36PM (#12584408)
>>This could just as well apply to environmental factors though, siblings probably share those.

That's correct, but looking at concordance rates between monozygotic (identical) and dizygotic (fraternal) twins demonstrates that there is at least a partial genetic connection.

Identical twins share the diagnosis in 77% of cases, while fraternal twins only share the diagnosis in 31% of cases.[1] Given that identical twins share more genetic material, the conclusion is that autism has a genetic component to its incidence.

That said, most research on the subject, including the paper I'm citing, establishes that there is most likely a dual nature-nurture component. In particular, this study was conducted on twins within the same household, so the genetic component would have been augmented by shared environmental factors.

[1]: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4440679/

Re:Autism and Evolution by s_kilk on Monday September 26, 2016 @11:54AM (#12582878)
(not the person you're replying to)

The implication seems to be that the parents also exhibit traits of the autism spectrum, so it's hardly surprising that their kids would do the same.

Re:Autism and Evolution by euyyn on Monday September 26, 2016 @12:20PM (#12583127)
If it's that, without finer detail, it's also a weak argument. I behave like my mother in many things; doesn't mean I was genetically predisposed to, as plenty of behavior is acquired from the parents.
Re:Autism and Evolution by i14ng on Monday September 26, 2016 @01:19PM (#12583683)
If you're saying it could be the autistic behavior is learned rather than genetic, then I agree, you'd need a twin study to rule that out conclusively. However, when people say "the autism epidemic is environmental" they usually mean vaccines or chemicals or something, not "learned from the parents."

Despite the quantity of autism research, most of it is quite bad and not that helpful on questions like this.

Re:Autism and Evolution by gertef on Monday September 26, 2016 @02:05PM (#12584120)
"Inherited" can mean "genetic" or some other method of parent-child transmission (like learning)

"Environmental" can include "parenting", but in this case the distinction is between "got it somehow from autistic-leaning parents" vs got from something else.

Also, the claim that autism might be somehow learned from parents is extraordinary and not widely claimed or supported by existing evidence. It was a discredited theory of the past though, that "cold" parenting created austism.

Re:Autism and Evolution by kmonsen on Monday September 26, 2016 @01:24PM (#12583730)
Also you share lots of environmental factors with your mother, like living in the same house, using the same car etc.
Re:Autism and Evolution by i14ng on Monday September 26, 2016 @01:37PM (#12583857)
autism isn't adult-acquired though (literally by definition, DSM specifies that it must be present in childhood). So you'd need parent and child to share environmental factors during their respective infancies.