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Re:IBM says Swift is ready for the enterprise by pjmlp on Monday September 26, 2016 @10:09AM (#12581905)
Can you predict what your C compiler with going to do with your code, taking into account UB and compiler specific implementation behaviors not specified by ANSI C?
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Re:IBM says Swift is ready for the enterprise by mpweiher on Monday September 26, 2016 @10:19AM (#12581979)
More than with Swift. I routinely see 100x - 1000x and more performance difference between -O0 and -O in Swift. Considering that the optimiser doesn't give warnings or errors if it can't apply optimisations, that's out of bounds for me for a systems programming language. YMMV.

The whole UB idiocy is a different matter, though related because it's perpetrated by roughly the same group of people, for similar nonsensical and non-validated reasons. See my post http://blog.metaobject.com/2014/04/cc-osmartass.html

See also: http://www.complang.tuwien.ac.at/kps2015/proceedings/KPS_201... and Proebsting's Law.

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Re:IBM says Swift is ready for the enterprise by pjmlp on Monday September 26, 2016 @10:34AM (#12582133)
> More than with Swift. I routinely see 100x - 1000x and more performance difference between -O0 and -O in Swift. Considering that the optimiser doesn't give warnings or errors if it can't apply optimisations, that's out of bounds for me for a systems programming language. YMMV.

Improvements required for the toolchain in a young language, than Apple, IBM and others will certainly improve.

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