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Re:Project Shield by themihai on Monday September 26, 2016 @06:25AM (#12580646)
> We’ve met news organizations around the world who suffer crippling digital attacks when they publish something controversial.

Good...except Google doesn't protect you from such attacks once the US gov deems it illegal. We need a safe, anonymous protocol not the network of X corporation.

Re:Project Shield by wstrange on Monday September 26, 2016 @11:08AM (#12582438)
Technology alone is never going to solve this problem.

IMHO, focusing on Google's actions is not productive. All large corporations need to be watched carefully, and Google is no exception, but their motives are fairly transparent.

The real culprit here is government overreach. This is the core problem that we should be focusing on.

Re:Project Shield by themihai on Monday September 26, 2016 @11:45AM (#12582777)
The law will always be abused by those in power be it corporations, individuals or governments so I think technology is actually the main part of the solution.

Google along with other parties can contribute to technologies(i.e. end to end encryption) that protect our liberties but this friendship/network sharing proposal seems just wrong to me. They can't stand to MPAA requests, let alone NSA or its friends(i.e. UK's GCHQ).

In live threatening situations you can't trust a corporation not to give your data to the local governmental authorities. I'm not even considering that their network could be hacked or they are simply a rough actor. `Fairly transparent` is not enough. The latest revelations just proved it.

If you can't publish sensitive information there can't be a debate/case for government overreach/abuse in the first place thus the reason why technology became so important.

Re:Project Shield by CraftThatBlock on Monday September 26, 2016 @08:26AM (#12581213)
So... Tor?
Re:Project Shield by dublinben on Monday September 26, 2016 @10:48AM (#12582257)
A network like Freenet would be more appropriate for a situation like this. Its peer to peer nature is like bittorrent, so the more popular content is, the more it is replicated, and thus becomes easier to access.

It shouldn't be impossible to design a distributed network that has a positive feedback loop that makes a DDOS counterproductive, by actually boosting the targeted materials.

Re:Project Shield by lkmlkmsfd on Monday September 26, 2016 @03:06PM (#12584673)
> so the more popular content is, the more it is replicated, and thus becomes easier to access.

Self censorship.

Re:Project Shield by Natanael_L on Wednesday September 28, 2016 @10:00AM (#12597643)
I2P + Tahoe-LAFS, IPFS
Re:Project Shield by themihai on Monday September 26, 2016 @09:02AM (#12581413)
Tor is not good enough. That's the reason we see this kind proposals.
Re:Project Shield by ryanlol on Monday September 26, 2016 @08:43AM (#12581304)
The botnet attacking Krebs could in all likelihood take down the entire Tor network.
Re:Project Shield by nickpsecurity on Monday September 26, 2016 @12:49PM (#12583400)
It was one of early threats I described on the Tor network. NSA et all could easily pay for it to be done. Consistently. Year after year. I think the only reason they haven't is that U.S. and foreign intelligence services themselves find Tor so useful. Can't take down one's own tool for disrupting the competition. ;)
Re:Project Shield by rtkwe on Monday September 26, 2016 @10:29AM (#12582077)
The advertised bandwidth for the whole network is much lower than the 600+GBps that's attacking Kerbs it's a little under 200 GBps.

https://metrics.torproject.org/bandwidth.html

Re:Project Shield by sandworm101 on Monday September 26, 2016 @11:12AM (#12582469)
Tor has too many friends. I dislike the trend of Tor being used to control botnets, but the upside is that an entire underworld now sees tor as an asset. Any non-state attacking Tor would make some very interesting enemies.
Re:Project Shield by rtkwe on Monday September 26, 2016 @02:37PM (#12584422)
Without the particular bot net/what have you taking credit for it do we generally know who is running a DDOS?
Re:Project Shield by ryanlol on Tuesday September 27, 2016 @02:12PM (#12591659)
Enemies? Hah, you mean extortion targets!
Re:Project Shield by metaphorm on Monday September 26, 2016 @09:47AM (#12581751)
Tor can obfuscate the origin of https requests (assumedly, if we continue to believe Tor isn't infiltrated and surveiled, which it probably is). It cannot protect against DDoS attacks.