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Re:Chelsea Manning's 14 days in solitary for suicide attempt... by criley2 on Sunday September 25, 2016 @07:34PM (#12578057)
It's rather ideological and hilarious for you to use the United States Armed Forces non-democratic and non-civilian justice system to criticize the American democracy.

In one tiny post you demonstrate sad ignorance to the subject (anyone with even a -passing- knowledge of civilian vs military justice is laughing at you) as well as the sad bias which empowers your triumphant ignorance, so bravo.

Out of curiosity, which nations Military Justice System do you prefer?

Re:Chelsea Manning's 14 days in solitary for suicide attempt... by whamlastxmas on Sunday September 25, 2016 @07:37PM (#12578070)
To be fair, the premise of losing your rights as an American (or as a human) because you decided to serve your country is a fucking joke.
Re:Chelsea Manning's 14 days in solitary for suicide attempt... by criley2 on Sunday September 25, 2016 @07:45PM (#12578102)
A) You don't lose your rights by being a soldier, but you do face military based restrictions and fall under the jurisdiction of the Uniform Code of Military justice.

B) The premise of operating a successful military is more important than operating a, uih, civilian military.

Re:Chelsea Manning's 14 days in solitary for suicide attempt... by 0xFFC on Sunday September 25, 2016 @08:27PM (#12578295)
I asked a simple question, I don't know why people tries to ignore it, or start throwing everything they got other than giving answer.

In which logic putting an unstable person who committed suicide recently in solitary, is acceptable?

My question maybe hurt's so bad, since your have thrown everything you got at me, otherthan giving simple answer.

Your military justice system is fucking worse than terrorist.

Re:Chelsea Manning's 14 days in solitary for suicide attempt... by criley2 on Monday September 26, 2016 @09:23AM (#12581550)
"My question maybe hurt's so bad, since your have thrown everything you got at me, otherthan giving simple answer. Your military justice system is fucking worse than terrorist."

I apologize -- I suspected and but didn't fully realize I was dealing with someone who was unhinged.

I have thrown basically nothing at you, and your ridiculous defensiveness here is suspect.

And to call the Military Justice worse than terrorist [sic] exposes you as non-English.

Your rabid bias against America is evident, your overwillingness to use rather petty and ignorant hyperbole is evident, and when someone dares not agree with you, you become unhinged and defensive and quite nasty.

Have a good day, Hater, but know that your immature nonsense does nothing but embarrass yourself.

P.S. will you watch a video of ISIS beheading people as they scream and blood squirts? Will you watch ISIS dropping 24 children into a vat of acid where they scream for HOURS? Your knowledge of military justice and terrorism makes me wonder your allegiance. One would have to support ISIS to find the acid-torture of children to be better than solitary confinement.

Re:Chelsea Manning's 14 days in solitary for suicide attempt... by 0xFFC on Monday September 26, 2016 @11:02AM (#12582377)
I am so glad, you fell into that.

You finished your answer with comparing your military system with ISIS beheading. That was what I looking at. Your comparison standard for your military system is ISIS, Wow. You literally proved my point.

Have good day. BTW It is not secret. I am Iranian. But I don't believe in nationality. I am kinda extreme anarchist.

Re:Chelsea Manning's 14 days in solitary for suicide attempt... by criley2 on Monday September 26, 2016 @12:10PM (#12583029)
"You finished your answer with comparing your military system with ISIS beheading. That was what I looking at. Your comparison standard for your military system is ISIS, Wow. You literally proved my point."

No, it's not, I was mocking you by engaging in the same ignorant and low-effort hyperbole that sadly makes up the bulk of your contribution here. I suppose your limited English skills prevent you from understand ridicule and mockery, so I'll spell it out for you.

Don't you see how you just "fell for it"? How I used outrageous hyperbole to literally make fun of you, and you took it seriously?

Re:Chelsea Manning's 14 days in solitary for suicide attempt... by whamlastxmas on Monday September 26, 2016 @12:41PM (#12583334)
So you don't lose your rights, you're just subject to a different set of rights that don't include the rights you originally had. Got it.
Re:Chelsea Manning's 14 days in solitary for suicide attempt... by cyberferret on Sunday September 25, 2016 @07:42PM (#12578090)
I find it at odds that a nation that has such ardour and pride for their servicemen and servicewomen would basically condone human rights abuse by and unto those same personnel ?!
Re:Chelsea Manning's 14 days in solitary for suicide attempt... by criley2 on Sunday September 25, 2016 @07:47PM (#12578112)
"I find it at odds that a nation that has such ardour and pride for their servicemen and servicewomen would basically condone human rights abuse by and unto those same personnel ?!"

So, you're new to jingoistic nationalism is what you're telling me.

Cool, welcome to the 19th century. You have about 200 years of history to catch up on! I'm guessing you've just learned about Napoleon's army based on your opinion, so hoy-boy do you have a wide variety of nationalist nations and their armies to study!

Re:Chelsea Manning's 14 days in solitary for suicide attempt... by cyberferret on Sunday September 25, 2016 @07:52PM (#12578140)
True in part. My nation's army (Australia) has a history that goes back to those times, and still has traditions and culture carried forward from that era.

But while we do hold our service personnel in high esteem and treat them with respect, we also hold them accountable and try very hard to stamp out incidences of human rights abuse, gender inequality, bullying etc. within our defence force.

We tend not to let patriotic fervour limit that accountability.

Re:Chelsea Manning's 14 days in solitary for suicide attempt... by toomanybeersies on Sunday September 25, 2016 @09:05PM (#12578462)
The Australian Defence Force isn't exactly all peachy either.

Australian servicemen and servicewomen are still subject to military law and courts martial, same as the USA. And sexual abuse and harassment is still a serious issue [0].

[0] http://www.news.com.au/news/australian-navy-faces-male-sex-c...

Re:Chelsea Manning's 14 days in solitary for suicide attempt... by cyberferret on Sunday September 25, 2016 @11:23PM (#12579004)
Never said that is was all roses in our defence force. Ironically my sister in law (in the Air Force) is undergoing a formal complaint review at the moment because she is the subject of systemic bullying and cronyism in her section.

But in her case (and in most others here), outside agencies will step up to the plate and ask serious questions and take charge of the situation if defence force personnel are seen to be unbecoming of their conduct.

Do the most senior generals in the US military draw the line in the sand like David Morrison did a couple of years back? [1]

[1] - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QaqpoeVgr8U

Re:Chelsea Manning's 14 days in solitary for suicide attempt... by brownbat on Sunday September 25, 2016 @08:18PM (#12578260)
> try very hard to stamp out incidences of human rights abuse

Except on Nauru?

http://kvpr.org/post/save-children-ex-employee-leaks-details...

Re:Chelsea Manning's 14 days in solitary for suicide attempt... by cyberferret on Sunday September 25, 2016 @11:17PM (#12578990)
The situation in Nauru is absolutely abhorrent, but discussing it is outside the scope of this post. It isn't the Australian military there... The situation is controlled by a private security firm under the employ of the Australian Government.
Re:Chelsea Manning's 14 days in solitary for suicide attempt... by brownbat on Monday September 26, 2016 @07:48AM (#12581015)
The private security firm didn't create the policy of mandatory indefinite remote detention with little oversight.

And while it may be cognitively useful to pretend Australian border defense is not a military issue, you have created a ranked force defending the state's "territorial integrity" through the use of force.

You originally wrote, "I find it at odds that a nation that has such ardour and pride for their servicemen and servicewomen would basically condone human rights abuse by and unto those same personnel."

The UN has repeatedly decried Austrlia's migration policies as human rights abuses.

The reason migration policies are germane, even if they're enforced by civilians, is because they're an example where Australians exhibit the same blind spots you're decrying in people from other countries.

If you're genuinely curious how people take pride in flawed governments, look closer to home. Really though, it's a universal human condition.

Re:Chelsea Manning's 14 days in solitary for suicide attempt... by ZanyProgrammer on Sunday September 25, 2016 @08:03PM (#12578189)
Scandals and abuse happen in all militaries, even modern Western ones (that aren't American). Don't kid yourself that Australia is immune.
Re:Chelsea Manning's 14 days in solitary for suicide attempt... by cyberferret on Sunday September 25, 2016 @08:12PM (#12578229)
Oh, I know we are absolutely not immune. This sort of thing is endemic in any large, hierarchical group. We are just less likely to let hero worship cloud our judgement.