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Re:Chelsea Manning's 14 days in solitary for suicide attempt... by cyberferret on Sunday September 25, 2016 @07:52PM (#12578140)
True in part. My nation's army (Australia) has a history that goes back to those times, and still has traditions and culture carried forward from that era.

But while we do hold our service personnel in high esteem and treat them with respect, we also hold them accountable and try very hard to stamp out incidences of human rights abuse, gender inequality, bullying etc. within our defence force.

We tend not to let patriotic fervour limit that accountability.

Re:Chelsea Manning's 14 days in solitary for suicide attempt... by toomanybeersies on Sunday September 25, 2016 @09:05PM (#12578462)
The Australian Defence Force isn't exactly all peachy either.

Australian servicemen and servicewomen are still subject to military law and courts martial, same as the USA. And sexual abuse and harassment is still a serious issue [0].

[0] http://www.news.com.au/news/australian-navy-faces-male-sex-c...

Re:Chelsea Manning's 14 days in solitary for suicide attempt... by cyberferret on Sunday September 25, 2016 @11:23PM (#12579004)
Never said that is was all roses in our defence force. Ironically my sister in law (in the Air Force) is undergoing a formal complaint review at the moment because she is the subject of systemic bullying and cronyism in her section.

But in her case (and in most others here), outside agencies will step up to the plate and ask serious questions and take charge of the situation if defence force personnel are seen to be unbecoming of their conduct.

Do the most senior generals in the US military draw the line in the sand like David Morrison did a couple of years back? [1]

[1] - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QaqpoeVgr8U

Re:Chelsea Manning's 14 days in solitary for suicide attempt... by brownbat on Sunday September 25, 2016 @08:18PM (#12578260)
> try very hard to stamp out incidences of human rights abuse

Except on Nauru?

http://kvpr.org/post/save-children-ex-employee-leaks-details...

Re:Chelsea Manning's 14 days in solitary for suicide attempt... by cyberferret on Sunday September 25, 2016 @11:17PM (#12578990)
The situation in Nauru is absolutely abhorrent, but discussing it is outside the scope of this post. It isn't the Australian military there... The situation is controlled by a private security firm under the employ of the Australian Government.
Re:Chelsea Manning's 14 days in solitary for suicide attempt... by brownbat on Monday September 26, 2016 @07:48AM (#12581015)
The private security firm didn't create the policy of mandatory indefinite remote detention with little oversight.

And while it may be cognitively useful to pretend Australian border defense is not a military issue, you have created a ranked force defending the state's "territorial integrity" through the use of force.

You originally wrote, "I find it at odds that a nation that has such ardour and pride for their servicemen and servicewomen would basically condone human rights abuse by and unto those same personnel."

The UN has repeatedly decried Austrlia's migration policies as human rights abuses.

The reason migration policies are germane, even if they're enforced by civilians, is because they're an example where Australians exhibit the same blind spots you're decrying in people from other countries.

If you're genuinely curious how people take pride in flawed governments, look closer to home. Really though, it's a universal human condition.

Re:Chelsea Manning's 14 days in solitary for suicide attempt... by ZanyProgrammer on Sunday September 25, 2016 @08:03PM (#12578189)
Scandals and abuse happen in all militaries, even modern Western ones (that aren't American). Don't kid yourself that Australia is immune.
Re:Chelsea Manning's 14 days in solitary for suicide attempt... by cyberferret on Sunday September 25, 2016 @08:12PM (#12578229)
Oh, I know we are absolutely not immune. This sort of thing is endemic in any large, hierarchical group. We are just less likely to let hero worship cloud our judgement.