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Re:Everybody Thinks They're Middle-Class by pfarnsworth on Saturday September 24, 2016 @04:54PM (#12572592)
My wife and I combined make well above the limit for 1%-er range, yet we both feel middle class, although upper middle class is probably more accurate.

We both work extremely hard, from 9-10 hrs a day in the office and 2-3 hrs at night, most nights. We barely have time to see the kids during the week, and the weekends are filled assuaging our guilt by spending it with them, unless we have to work.

We have a modest house in the SF Bay Area, with an unmodest mortgage, and a savings that is miniscule compared to our costs and isn't growing. I have my Honda Accord that I paid off years ago, and my wife leases a Lexus SUV. We are the prototypical house-poor Bay Area family, and if one of us loses our job, we're pretty fucked. Neither of us has any sort of insurance besides whatever is provided by our companies.

The two "luxuries" we have are a weekly house cleaner, and a top notch babysitter once a week, which is why I think upper middle class is apt.

We don't feel "upper class", and we definitely don't feel rich. We know rich people, though, with live-in nannies, rented out Gary Dankos for special events, got box suites at the Super Bowl, etc.

Re:Everybody Thinks They're Middle-Class by dahart on Saturday September 24, 2016 @05:45PM (#12572787)
> My wife and I combined make well above the limit for 1%-er range, yet we both feel middle class, although upper middle class is probably more accurate.

If the definition of upper class is top 1%, then upper class is accurate, but maybe the top 1% threshold in the bay area is higher than you think?

http://www.businessinsider.com/the-salary-of-the-top-earners...

http://gis.mtc.ca.gov/home/images/motm/motm212.pdf

I made the argument on another comment that most "rich" people still work for a living, it seems you're a good example of that.

And yeah, having done it, I know first hand how you can be rich on paper, but live in the bay and feel like a college student.

Don't know if it makes you feel any better, but roughly 99% of people make less money than you do, and also don't feel rich and will also be hosed if they lose jobs. ;)

Re:Everybody Thinks They're Middle-Class by exstudent2 on Saturday September 24, 2016 @05:19PM (#12572702)
A Lexus SUV is a luxury. Some would argue that living in the SF is as well.
Re:Everybody Thinks They're Middle-Class by refurb on Saturday September 24, 2016 @06:46PM (#12572976)
He might have a modest lifestyle in the most expensive city in the US.

That's like saying you own a modest house in Beverly Hills and have a mortgage. Well, that's upper class!

Re:Everybody Thinks They're Middle-Class by vonmoltke on Saturday September 24, 2016 @05:45PM (#12572784)
You know, things have gotten ridiculous if we have reached the point where living in any particular geographic area larger than a neighborhood has become a luxury.
Re:Everybody Thinks They're Middle-Class by graeme on Saturday September 24, 2016 @05:08PM (#12572658)
1% in the US is about $200,000. So, you have a household income of $400,000 and are struggling?

I'm curious, what are your main expenses?

Re:Everybody Thinks They're Middle-Class by zzalpha on Saturday September 24, 2016 @05:42PM (#12572777)
I'm curious, what are your main expenses?

Living in the Bay area?

Re:Everybody Thinks They're Middle-Class by runamok on Monday September 26, 2016 @03:14AM (#12579888)
It varies quite a bit by the city you live in: http://www.businessinsider.com/income-top-one-percent-us-cit...

I am guessing they are are going by national numbers rather than regional.

In SF household income percentiles are these: Top 5%: $349,693 Top 1%: $558,046

Re:Everybody Thinks They're Middle-Class by whamlastxmas on Saturday September 24, 2016 @07:11PM (#12573047)
Probably $6000-10,000 a month in mortgage payments. And he said combined they're 1%. So after tax, probably more than half of his money going to mortgage.
Re:Everybody Thinks They're Middle-Class by xapata on Sunday September 25, 2016 @08:06AM (#12574975)
That still doesn't add up in my mind. A 1%-er household would have $240k+ post-tax annual income, more if they're deducting hefty mortgage interest payments.

    $100 in food daily ~ $36k
    $500 weekly domestic help ~ $25k
    $500 monthly utilities ~ $6k
    $2k monthly transportation ~ $24k
    $2k monthly misc ~ $24k
    $10,000 monthly mortgage ~ $120k
That hits around $235k post-tax. I think that's a nice lifestyle. Eating out less would allow for different "fun" activities.

Oh, I guess I forgot savings. Doh! I'd aim for savings about 10% annual pre-tax income for a household bringing in $400k+ pre-tax. I'm not sure how much of the mortgage principal payments I'd count towards that amount.

Re:Everybody Thinks They're Middle-Class by pfarnsworth on Sunday September 25, 2016 @11:56PM (#12579121)
Private school for two children is ~$4000/month.
Re:Everybody Thinks They're Middle-Class by xapata on Monday September 26, 2016 @04:30AM (#12580184)
Well, I guess we're not eating out every day anymore.
Re:Everybody Thinks They're Middle-Class by handedness on Sunday September 25, 2016 @04:08AM (#12574412)
What's the source for that? Everything I've seen puts the US natinoal average for 1%-by-income in the low to mid $400K (AGI), and ~$30K globally.
Re:Everybody Thinks They're Middle-Class by staticint on Sunday September 25, 2016 @09:46AM (#12575283)
~$400k is the threshold for household[1] income. ~$200k is the threshold for individual[2] income.

[1] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Household_income_in_the_Unit...

[2] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Personal_income_in_the_Unite...

Re:Everybody Thinks They're Middle-Class by okaram on Sunday September 25, 2016 @11:05PM (#12578951)
actually, it seems 200k is 95% (well, in 2014)