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Re:TTIP trade deal could be re-launched under a different na... by krylon on Saturday September 24, 2016 @02:50AM (#12569756)
> European Union ministers today admitted that a giant EU-US trade deal is dead in its current form, with drastic change needed to salvage any hope of a deal going ahead.

The devil, as always, is in the fine print - a cynic might read that to mean "TTIP has gotten such a bad reputation we would rather wait a few more years so the public forgets all about it, then try again."

In fact, I am tempted to quote Lovecraft here, except that a few years hardly count as "eternal".

Re:TTIP trade deal could be re-launched under a different na... by pipio21 on Saturday September 24, 2016 @04:05AM (#12569994)
There is nothing wrong about trade deals per se.

I am not against any trade deals, but against this particular deal with those particular conditions because of some particular reasons.

Re:TTIP trade deal could be re-launched under a different na... by krylon on Saturday September 24, 2016 @05:20AM (#12570213)
With TTIP, I kind of got the impression that the "Trade" part was just an excuse to push various policies politicians know very well are not popular with their voters.
Re:TTIP trade deal could be re-launched under a different na... by singularity2001 on Saturday September 24, 2016 @03:52AM (#12569950)
They have realized that multinational corporations can screw the citizens of the EU just as well through CETA, which is about to get ratified on October 27.
Re:TTIP trade deal could be re-launched under a different na... by makomk on Saturday September 24, 2016 @05:23AM (#12570219)
Of course, CETA has vital concessions to EU interests such as banning Canadian companies from marketing Canadian cheese as "parmesan-style" to Canadians.
Re:TTIP trade deal could be re-launched under a different na... by petre on Saturday September 24, 2016 @03:34AM (#12569899)
They will just change the name to something else, change a few words and voila, a new secret trade agreement.
Re:TTIP trade deal could be re-launched under a different na... by StavrosK on Saturday September 24, 2016 @04:37AM (#12570083)
Offtopic, but does anyone else find Lovecraft too over-the-top? I know that many people like him, but it gets tiresome that everything is nameless, frightful, indescribable, hideous, hellish, monstrous, indescribable, etc. He's not very subtle at all with his descriptions, even a house that was previously established as super creepy gets an "abominable" when referring to it.

I found him so over the top that I wanted to confirm my hunch experimentally, and made a list of the 150 most prominent words in his opus. It is unsurprising:

https://i.imgur.com/pUUzFCJ.png

Re:TTIP trade deal could be re-launched under a different na... by YeGoblynQueenne on Saturday September 24, 2016 @05:16AM (#12570199)
>> does anyone else find Lovecraft too over-the-top?

Does anyone find Metallica over the top? How about Slayer? Cannibal Corpse?

It's the form- it's supposed to be over-the-top. And btw, that's not in an ironic way.

Re:TTIP trade deal could be re-launched under a different na... by BjoernKW on Saturday September 24, 2016 @05:11AM (#12570189)
Someone once said that Lovecraft suffered from adjectivitis. I'm fond of his writing and have read pretty much all of his stories but I get the point. Especially when reading several Lovecraft stories in quick succession they can seem repetitive.

I'm surprised words like 'mongrel' aren't featured more prominently in that word cloud. His blatant racism really detracts from some of his otherwise great stories. It's particularly annoying in the Call of Cthulhu where it's almost like from the author's perspective the true evil isn't the monstrous, cyclopean abomination but non-WASPs.

Re:TTIP trade deal could be re-launched under a different na... by StavrosK on Saturday September 24, 2016 @03:28PM (#12572220)
Yeah, I saw the word "nigger" show up in the diagram, so I went and had a look. In "The Rats in the Walls" the author has a cat called "Nigger-man", but that was a proper name so I removed it (I removed all proper names).

Also, I think you're spot on with adjectivitis. It explains exactly what I don't like about his stories.

Re:TTIP trade deal could be re-launched under a different na... by moogly on Saturday September 24, 2016 @07:16AM (#12570476)
I must admit I cracked up when seeing "PENGUINS" in that word cloud.
Re:TTIP trade deal could be re-launched under a different na... by jpfr on Saturday September 24, 2016 @03:23AM (#12569878)
An optimist might read that to mean "Europeans found out that trade deals can be a lot better than what TTIP offered. Such as CETA which the EU is about to close with Canada".
Re:TTIP trade deal could be re-launched under a different na... by thatfrenchguy on Saturday September 24, 2016 @09:06AM (#12570783)
CETA is terrible though.
Re:TTIP trade deal could be re-launched under a different na... by aerique on Saturday September 24, 2016 @03:06AM (#12569810)
The name escapes me for a moment but they're already working on a new secret deal. (Since 2012, so that's why they're so easily letting go of TTIP.)
Re:TTIP trade deal could be re-launched under a different na... by xg15 on Saturday September 24, 2016 @03:44AM (#12569929)
TISA? (Though that one isn't EU-US but has a much wider range from what I've read)
Re:TTIP trade deal could be re-launched under a different na... by aerique on Saturday September 24, 2016 @04:29AM (#12570057)
Yes, I just looked it up and was about to edit my comment. Here's an article in Dutch about about TiSa: http://sargasso.nl/tisa-bijl-aan-wortel-democratie/
Re:TTIP trade deal could be re-launched under a different na... by the_mitsuhiko on Saturday September 24, 2016 @04:57AM (#12570155)
What do you mean by "secret"? All negotations are listed on the information page of the commission.
Re:TTIP trade deal could be re-launched under a different na... by toyg on Saturday September 24, 2016 @05:23AM (#12570220)
The price of freedom is eternal vigilance, said someone pretty famous on one side of the Atlantic.
Re:TTIP trade deal could be re-launched under a different na... by sam4ritan on Saturday September 24, 2016 @04:42AM (#12570103)
Well, thats what happened to ACTA too, isn't it?

A lot of the stuff that was in there got reused in TTIP.

Re:TTIP trade deal could be re-launched under a different na... by pluma on Saturday September 24, 2016 @06:48AM (#12570400)
You may be thinking of IPRED, not TTIP? IPRED popped up at some point during the anti-ACTA protests and seemed to have significant overlap.
Re:TTIP trade deal could be re-launched under a different na... by the_mitsuhiko on Saturday September 24, 2016 @04:59AM (#12570160)
I don't see the overlap of ACTA with TTIP.