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Re:'Mr. Robot' may be fiction, but its hacking plots are all... by Demoneeri on Wednesday September 21, 2016 @11:47AM (#12549265)
I've watched S01 but I'm not sure I'll watch S02. The cliché about dysfunctional people in IT is too much for me. I'm a normal person and I don't have difficulties in dealing with other human beings.

Also the part about vilifying companies and loving big government is not my cup of tea. At least in Person of Interest both were bad.

Last part, vilifying money as a medium of exchange is just absurd. Are they expecting to exchange their computer services for eggs at the supermarket?

Re:'Mr. Robot' may be fiction, but its hacking plots are all... by jonknee on Wednesday September 21, 2016 @11:58AM (#12549378)
> The cliché about dysfunctional people in IT is too much for me. I'm a normal person and I don't have difficulties in dealing with other human beings.

TV shows centered around normal people are really boring.

Re:'Mr. Robot' may be fiction, but its hacking plots are all... by colmvp on Wednesday September 21, 2016 @01:57PM (#12550601)
I think though there's a difference between cliche/stereotyped characters and whether or not a character is interesting .
Re:'Mr. Robot' may be fiction, but its hacking plots are all... by okwhatthe2 on Wednesday September 21, 2016 @03:04PM (#12551220)
It seems OP was referencing a cliché trope as opposed to cliché character.
Re:'Mr. Robot' may be fiction, but its hacking plots are all... by Unklejoe on Wednesday September 21, 2016 @12:37PM (#12549796)
Except Seinfeld, of course.
Re:'Mr. Robot' may be fiction, but its hacking plots are all... by jonknee on Wednesday September 21, 2016 @12:40PM (#12549842)
If only my normal friends were comedians!
Re:'Mr. Robot' may be fiction, but its hacking plots are all... by dikaiosune on Wednesday September 21, 2016 @01:46PM (#12550483)
Are normal people actually that mean and uncaring? It's not been my personal experience.
Re:'Mr. Robot' may be fiction, but its hacking plots are all... by Unklejoe on Wednesday September 21, 2016 @02:02PM (#12550663)
Well, I think the answer to that is going to vary a lot based on the personal experiences of the person answering, so here's my take:

I can’t speak for everyone, but it’s been my personal experience that many groups of friends partake in “shit talking” or “gossiping” when no one is around.

This leads me to believe that many people can be uncaring behind closed doors (which is what I think Seinfeld was meant to show, and which is why many people could relate to the show).

Re:'Mr. Robot' may be fiction, but its hacking plots are all... by bcholmes on Wednesday September 21, 2016 @02:50PM (#12551111)
Isn't "mean" a synonym for "average"? :)
Re:'Mr. Robot' may be fiction, but its hacking plots are all... by wnevets on Wednesday September 21, 2016 @01:13PM (#12550171)
who was the normal one in Seinfeld?
Re:'Mr. Robot' may be fiction, but its hacking plots are all... by Unklejoe on Wednesday September 21, 2016 @02:12PM (#12550763)
They all had their quirks, but overall, they were all meant to be relatable to in their own way. Of course, some were really out there (Kramer, Soup Nazi, etc...), but I think Jerry, George, and Elaine were all kind of normal.

I believe that the show was so popular because many people saw connections between the characters and people they actually knew in real life. Compared to Mr. Robot, I would say that the characters in Seinfeld were far more normal.

So maybe relatable doesn’t necessarily mean normal, but that’s what I was thinking.

Re:'Mr. Robot' may be fiction, but its hacking plots are all... by wnevets on Wednesday September 21, 2016 @02:18PM (#12550814)
When the show started that was probably the case but as the seasons went on they became cartoon characters. I believe the finale was to show just how awful they and their actions were.
Re:'Mr. Robot' may be fiction, but its hacking plots are all... by Unklejoe on Wednesday September 21, 2016 @02:22PM (#12550849)
Yeah true. It seems like that's the trend for a lot of shows. The events and characters keep getting more and more ridiculous. I guess they have to keep introducing new things to keep the show interesting.

I think it’s starting to happen with Mr. Robot already. I liked season 1 a lot, but I’m not as big of a fan of season 2. I think they’re going too far with the whole “delusional acid trip” kind of thing.

Re:'Mr. Robot' may be fiction, but its hacking plots are all... by libertymcateer on Wednesday September 21, 2016 @11:58AM (#12549386)
> about dysfunctional people in IT is too much for me. > vilifying companies and loving big government is not my cup of tea > vilifying money as a medium of exchange is just absurd

You should watch season 2. All of the above are directly addressed.

Re:'Mr. Robot' may be fiction, but its hacking plots are all... by dllthomas on Wednesday September 21, 2016 @11:49AM (#12549285)
You should watch S02. The dorm-room philosophy of the protagonists is not handled uncritically.
Re:'Mr. Robot' may be fiction, but its hacking plots are all... by jknoepfler on Wednesday September 21, 2016 @01:11PM (#12550148)
This is probably the reason I'm willing to watch the show. The writing is pleasantly, surprisingly intelligent at times.
Re:'Mr. Robot' may be fiction, but its hacking plots are all... by k__ on Wednesday September 21, 2016 @12:17PM (#12549562)
what? S02 takes the whole thing to another level...
Re:'Mr. Robot' may be fiction, but its hacking plots are all... by pault on Wednesday September 21, 2016 @02:38PM (#12550998)
> The cliché about dysfunctional people in IT is too much for me.

I hate this so, so much. I enjoyed Orphan Black but the biologist character was just such a babbling idiot that I kept having to fight the urge to fast-forward through her scenes (I have to say though, the actress that plays the clones has a pretty amazing range. Not all of the characters are great but sometime I had to remind myself that it was the same person playing all the roles).

This seems to have originated with the procedural crime dramas; the "geek tank" full of adult children that spout technobabble to eye-rolling detectives and are unable to communicate technical concepts to non-technical people. I have a few friends in research. None of them have lip rings or dreadlocks and they are all able to carry a conversation with people of diverse backgrounds and education.

Re:'Mr. Robot' may be fiction, but its hacking plots are all... by mindslight on Wednesday September 21, 2016 @01:20PM (#12550234)
As someone who believes in free markets and voluntary exchange, the ethos of Mr Robot resonates with me. I also haven't seen any love of big government (but I've only seen S01).

When government is continually debasing money through forced inflation, it's not surprising that people develop a distaste for money itself. Rather than functioning as a virtuous representation of value creation, inflating money just represents political connection to the central bank. Rather than being able to build up savings to gain security and negotiating power, the common person's primary interaction with money is having to service the debt driving their wage-slavery.

If you believe in free markets, you should want to make money sound again. Writing off people's rational distaste for the role money is presently playing just allows the fundamental problem to continue growing.

Re:'Mr. Robot' may be fiction, but its hacking plots are all... by cheald on Wednesday September 21, 2016 @01:59PM (#12550630)
If you believe in rational markets, you should also probably consider that those rational markets are capable of pricing stable inflation into nominal pricing. Consider that money is widely accepted to be neutral in the long-run.

In inflationary economies, there is nothing stopping individuals from saving value in the form of assets; you can store your value in pork bellies or gold or ownership of a company or whatever other asset you'd like, in order to build up savings to gain security and negotiating power. The oft-repeated idea that inflation precludes saving is silly; it does make it costly to save by stuffing your dollars into a mattress, but it would still hold true in an economy without managed inflation - such economies are still subject to inflation and deflation (see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:US_Historical_Inflation_A...) so if you need to actually spend your money during one of those 20% inflation spikes, well, good luck with that.

Store your value in an asset rather than a medium of exchange and managed inflation is a tremendous boon thanks to its tendency to decrease the risk (and thus cost) of investment.

Re:'Mr. Robot' may be fiction, but its hacking plots are all... by mindslight on Wednesday September 21, 2016 @02:22PM (#12550850)
Even rational markets do not respond immediately or frictionlessly. And I wouldn't call a market where one sector gets a steady inflow of newly-created money "rational".

The disconnect in your analysis is that price inflation hits hardest the areas where the conjured money is injected into the wider economy. Saving in gold works to pay for food, but not to pay for housing. To keep up with the latter, you must invest in housing to cover the entirety of your consumption. Until you achieve that, you're over the barrel servicing debt. This encourages everybody into further helping to inflate that bubble, with those who've succeeded then lobbying for even more housing inflation.

Re:'Mr. Robot' may be fiction, but its hacking plots are all... by cheald on Wednesday September 21, 2016 @05:48PM (#12552567)
You're presuming that 100% of price level changes are due to changes in the money supply. That's simply not the case (see also: that graph in my original post prior to 1913, 1933, or 1971, pick your favorite of those dates). Changes in the money supply do affect nominal prices, but it's not the only factor. Housing prices would continue to increase even with a perfectly fixed money supply; saving at an inflation rate of 0% would result in diminished purchasing power for housing over time, as aggregate demand increases.

Historical record is not aligned with the fantasy that eliminating fiat currency would cause price stabilization and promote savings. It would eliminate long-run inflation, but at the cost of price stability and medium-run investment.

Re:'Mr. Robot' may be fiction, but its hacking plots are all... by mindslight on Wednesday September 21, 2016 @08:08PM (#12553341)
First, we shouldn't have price "stability" as defined by the Fed. In a technological economy, the price of everything should be trending downward - price optimization is exactly what a market does! The Fed functions to smooth out the bumps, but they seem unable to do so without being tempted to destroy that natural downward trend. Which is why we're next door to 0% interest and "Helicopter Ben" is making rounds in academia (UBI).

The core of your argument seems to be that there is little economic difference between natural technological deflation and forcing a slow inflation, that the market can adjust to either condition. But if markets were perfectly efficient like this, then forcing inflation would have no effect and in fact bubbles would not occur because they would be immediately corrected

Real markets have inefficiencies and lag time, and altering the macro environment is straight endorsement of specific policy, but cloaked as science. If prices were allowed to go down and people were able to save money (actual savings, not simply leveraged between stocks and debt), then they could choose to work less and we would be able to actually see widespread gains from technology. Instead, the government is running the same tired Keynesian playbook for getting "full employment" while the need for human work is being ever reduced.

> You're presuming that 100% of price level changes are due to changes in the money supply

No, just the majority of them. Even though demand for housing is going up (population), we would expect prices to rise to stable premium over the cost of creating new housing (corresponding to the lag between demand and production). Instead, what we're observing is a continual inflation in "values" that seems to actually be constrained by the cost of interest on the value. This makes intuitive sense based on how people are actually encouraged to view houses (like various acquaintances thinking a $5k earnest money deposit is serious business, while seemingly oblivious that they're actually spending much much more).

Furthermore, shamelessly implicit in the idea of forced inflation is the viewpoint that people should be forced to "invest". This certainly keeps the financial sector in demand, but obviously hurts the average person who has their savings eroded either passively through inflation or actively through transaction fees and time spent managing relatively small investments.

Re:'Mr. Robot' may be fiction, but its hacking plots are all... by initram on Wednesday September 21, 2016 @01:41PM (#12550454)
Can you explain what you mean by "loving big government?" I watched both season 1 and season 2 and never got anything like that impression. They spend quite a bit of time avoiding the government and using it as an unwitting tool against the corporation and later itself. I'm curious what you saw, because I honestly have no idea what you're referring to.
Re:'Mr. Robot' may be fiction, but its hacking plots are all... by the_watcher on Wednesday September 21, 2016 @12:51PM (#12549949)
Elliott isn't good with people. The owner of the firm is. Like all professions, IT contains people who struggle socially and those who do not.

> Also the part about vilifying companies and loving big government is not my cup of tea.

Watch Season 2 before you make any judgments on who the bad guys actually are.

Re:'Mr. Robot' may be fiction, but its hacking plots are all... by bitwize on Wednesday September 21, 2016 @12:22PM (#12549625)
For some reason hacker fiction became less interesting when the stereotype went from "hip awesome dude who skateboards to class" to "depressed guy in a gray hoodie".

I chose the former when it came time to design a protagonist for my totally unrealistic hacking-themed mobile game.

Re:'Mr. Robot' may be fiction, but its hacking plots are all... by s_q_b on Wednesday September 21, 2016 @02:06PM (#12550703)
The series definitely doesn't portray the government as a force for good, or even a significant player.

"Politics is for puppets."

"We voted for this, not with our rigged elections..."

"I'm talking about the guys no one knows about, the guys who play God without asking permission..."

Re:'Mr. Robot' may be fiction, but its hacking plots are all... by eDameXxX on Wednesday September 21, 2016 @05:01PM (#12552210)
>The cliché about dysfunctional people in IT is too much for me.

This is probably the main reason why I love so much this series.

FYI: I think I'm kind of a introvert person. I have small problems with myself. And yes, I am programmer.