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Re:Oct. 4 by oconnor0 on Tuesday September 20, 2016 @10:08AM (#12539579)
I'm sad to see the Nexus line go away. I quite like my Nexus 5 but have no interest in spending over 600$ on a phone.
Re:Oct. 4 by zeveb on Tuesday September 20, 2016 @11:38AM (#12540320)
Pretty much the only reason I even use Android has been the Nexus line. Why would I want vendor crapware on my phone? Why would I want a Google phone with Google crapware?
Re:Oct. 4 by pnathan on Tuesday September 20, 2016 @12:31PM (#12540785)
> Why would I want vendor crapware on my phone?

This is precisely why myself and my wife are full-on Nexus users.

Re:Oct. 4 by Abundnce10 on Tuesday September 20, 2016 @01:42PM (#12541424)
So, which phones will be good options going forward if you want to avoid crapware?
Re:Oct. 4 by abawany on Tuesday September 20, 2016 @07:04PM (#12544099)
Get a phone that has an unlockable bootloader and install Cyanogenmod and Google Play (if you must :) ).
Re:Oct. 4 by Abundnce10 on Tuesday September 20, 2016 @08:50PM (#12544609)
Is that possible to do on a Galaxy S7? I'm competent on the command line but never worked much with Android/ROMs/etc.
Re:Oct. 4 by abawany on Wednesday September 21, 2016 @12:15AM (#12545336)
It looks like there are quite a few options for your device: http://forum.xda-developers.com/s7-edge/development . On further investigation, there is a wrinkle - if your device has the Exynos chip, then your options are pretty limited while Snapdragon devices are well supported: http://forum.xda-developers.com/s7-edge/development . Unfortunately it looks like it won't be a slam dunk for your particular device.
Re:Oct. 4 by Abundnce10 on Wednesday September 21, 2016 @12:56PM (#12549995)
Unfortunately it looks like it won't be a slam dunk for your particular device.

And this is why I won't attempt to it, since I really don't know what I'm doing. I'd love to use Cyanogenmod but probably won't until I buy a new phone that I feel more comfortable flashing a ROM onto. Looks like I'll just live with crapware for now :)

Re:Oct. 4 by abawany on Wednesday September 21, 2016 @03:10PM (#12551269)
I understand. However, I do encourage you to read and at least consider rooting the phone (without triggering the flash counter if the phone is under warranty): this will enable you to remove/disable a lot of the 'system' apps that are fairly evil. The first link I included has options for your device for cleaned-up Samsung ROMs.

I have a Sony Xperia Z2 now and I chose the root option instead of the (available) Cyanogenmod install for it since Sony, while being very open to rooting etc., chooses to remove some image enhancement functionality on flashed devices. The root has enabled me to remove a lot of the junk and also install the Xposed framework along with XPrivacy. The latter enables fine-grained control of permissions by app.

Sure it is a bit of work but it depends on how you value your private data. I realize ultimately it might be futile but I am planning to put in as much effort as makes sense to protect my data as best as I know how.

Re:Oct. 4 by uabstraction on Tuesday September 20, 2016 @06:11PM (#12543830)
The OnePlus looks like an option, though I haven't ever used one myself. It's got an unlockable bootloader, so an AOSP variant or CyanogenMod should be reasonable simple to install.
Re:Oct. 4 by zeveb on Tuesday September 20, 2016 @02:30PM (#12541985)
I honestly have no idea.

I don't want to go back to a dumbphone. I like having a computer in my hand. But what with privacy, the unsafety of apps, the crapware … what's the point anymore?

Re:Oct. 4 by makmanalp on Tuesday September 20, 2016 @11:31AM (#12540268)
Does anyone know of a decent sub 5-inch phone? All the reviews sites seem to ignore this factor. My old 4.3" moto X is dying and I'm hoping to find a truly pocketable replacement.
Re:Oct. 4 by dhd415 on Tuesday September 20, 2016 @11:37AM (#12540312)
The "compact" phones in the Sony Xperia line are really the only ones that come close. My wife is still happily using her Z3 Compact though its successor, the Z5 Compact, didn't review as well. The newest Xperia X Compact is getting decent reviews.
Re:Oct. 4 by IanCal on Tuesday September 20, 2016 @12:27PM (#12540764)
Another vote for the Z3C. Small, fast enough for me, and I can easily get two days out of it.
Re:Oct. 4 by oconnor0 on Tuesday September 20, 2016 @12:51PM (#12540957)
Is the Z3C getting Android updates? How is the Sony software/skin/bloatware/addons compared to the cleanness of the Nexus line?
Re:Oct. 4 by 5555624 on Tuesday September 20, 2016 @06:18PM (#12543859)
Sony provided an update to 6.0.1 I did not think the bloatware was as bad as a carrier-branded phone and most of it appears easy enough to delete. For a personal phone, I'd buy the Z3C again. (For my second, work phone, I liked the Z3C enough that I decided to go with a Z3, which I also like.)
Re:Oct. 4 by paulgb on Tuesday September 20, 2016 @01:21PM (#12541198)
On the Z3C, the Sony bloatware is bad. Apparently they've reduced it a bit since then but I haven't gone back. The hardware is nice, it's a shame they have to ruin it with crap.
Re:Oct. 4 by Symbiote on Tuesday September 20, 2016 @01:44PM (#12541458)
I fiddled with various settings, and I think managed to disable almost all the bloatware. I get a notification about every two months that Sony's updater needs an update.

I'm pleased with the phone otherwise, and would buy it again.

Re:Oct. 4 by andrepd on Tuesday September 20, 2016 @11:36AM (#12540304)
Check the Sony compact series, or some Chinese brand phone.
Re:Oct. 4 by jdc0589 on Tuesday September 20, 2016 @10:15AM (#12539631)
agreed. I also feel like I got the shaft with the nexus 5x. it wasn't "top of the line expensive" but it was more than any other nexus phone I'd had, and until Android 7 came out I felt like it was a piece of crap; thankfully that update smoothed performance (or perception) out A LOT for me.
Re:Oct. 4 by JustUhThought on Tuesday September 20, 2016 @10:27AM (#12539755)
Agreed. Between this and dropped support for Moto G/E, Google is proving to be super flaky, and which has diminished my desire to invest in any of their hardware.
Re:Oct. 4 by maxerickson on Tuesday September 20, 2016 @10:32AM (#12539799)
Google sold the Motorola phone division to Lenovo. Are you talking about something that happened before that?
Re:Oct. 4 by JustUhThought on Thursday September 22, 2016 @09:12PM (#12561636)
Just saying they generally don't gollow through. Selling off a company would fall under this umbrella. Boston Dynamics anyone. Google is basically the head "mean girl". Bitch will drop you in a second if you're cramping her style.
Re:Oct. 4 by matart on Tuesday September 20, 2016 @10:27AM (#12539756)
What would you go with instead? I am also a Nexus 5 user looking for an upgrade of some sort.
Re:Oct. 4 by morsch on Tuesday September 20, 2016 @10:45AM (#12539892)
If the 650 USD sticker price (which inevitably end up being 700+ EUR) turns out to be true, I'm getting a Chinese phone, most likely a Xiaomi Mi5. I want updates from Google, but not to the tune of an extra 400 EUR. The OnePlus 3 is fine if you can handle 5.5".
Re:Oct. 4 by x0x0 on Tuesday September 20, 2016 @11:00AM (#12540011)
I'm in the same boat as gp -- my Nexus 5 is dying, and I'm looking for something similar for under $500. The OnePlus 3 looks perfect, except they have a history of lying about android updates (promising rapid release then taking 7-8 months).

I don't think Google's new Pixel strategy will work well for them. My opinion is Android is inferior to Apple on almost every dimension and I own an android because it was $400 instead of $1k for iphone (7 is $650 + $100 for more than 32g storage + case + 3-5 headphone cables + applecare + tax). So I was hoping for a Pixel that was a good replacement for my Nexus 5 which just decided that using bluetooth should reboot the phone...

Re:Oct. 4 by soylentcola on Tuesday September 20, 2016 @12:24PM (#12540729)
I guess I'm more of an Android "fan" in that I prefer it over iOS in general after using both fairly extensively. As is the norm, I find iOS to be a bit more polished than Android but a bit less forgiving when I want to do something that isn't the default behavior.

Granted these are more generalizations but they're a bit of a cliche for a reason. Still, the combination of a bit more flexibility and the ability to buy a Nexus (or that one time, a Moto X) for $350-450 instead of $650 and up for an iPhone has kept me in the Android camp for the past several years.

I've also been holding off on replacing my Nexus 5 and will still wait to see just what the word is on these new Pixel phones but I will say that the higher, more iPhone-like price means I'm likely to be less forgiving of minor issues or complaints that I'd just deal with on a device that costs 2/3 as much.

Just as my Asus laptop has a worse screen than a similar Macbook sold at the time but cost $950 instead of $2200 for otherwise similar specs, I have no problem accepting some tradeoffs for the right price. But if that Asus had be marked at $1950 compared to the $2200 Macbook, I might have just gone with the better viewing angles and better support record.

Still, it's all just speculation. We all make our purchasing decisions after we get a chance to evaluate all of the options. Until the devices and reviews show up, it's all a bit premature.

Re:Oct. 4 by mafuyu on Tuesday September 20, 2016 @10:31AM (#12539794)
Check out the OnePlus 3. It's a "flagship killer" at a low price. I have one and it's excellent.
Re:Oct. 4 by Spidler on Tuesday September 20, 2016 @11:17AM (#12540152)
how's their update schedule for Security fixes and OS versions?

How botched are their security lockdown of their phones compared to the Nexus line?

Can't seem to find a list of CVE's fixed with each update (not in their changelogs, that they only post on the forum...) , based on that, they do not fix known security problems.

Re:Oct. 4 by mkaziz on Tuesday September 20, 2016 @10:37AM (#12539830)
I was waiting for the Pixels, but the OnePlus 3 looks awesome for the price! How is the camera on that phone? I remember researching OnePlus 2 a while back, and it was the camera that killed it for me.
Re:Oct. 4 by mafuyu on Tuesday September 20, 2016 @01:03PM (#12541050)
The camera is much improved from the OnePlus 2. AnandTech did a review here: http://www.anandtech.com/show/10411/the-oneplus-3-review/5
Re:Oct. 4 by PascLeRasc on Tuesday September 20, 2016 @11:34AM (#12540293)
But are they still doing that ridiculous "invite-only" buying model? I really wanted to get a OnePlus One when it came out but they wouldn't ever let me give them money for one.
Re:Oct. 4 by l33tfr4gg3r on Tuesday September 20, 2016 @01:51PM (#12541547)
Not anymore, AFAIK. Starting with the OP3 they switched to an instant purchase model.
Re:Oct. 4 by TimWolla on Tuesday September 20, 2016 @12:55PM (#12540992)
They don't.
Re:Oct. 4 by mabramo on Tuesday September 20, 2016 @01:05PM (#12541071)
Same. I was waiting for the Pixel to release so I could hop on Google FI, but if the smaller device is more than $300, you can count me out. I'll just purchase a used Nexus 5X.
Re:Oct. 4 by mark_l_watson on Tuesday September 20, 2016 @02:03PM (#12541703)
That is what I am waiting for also. Google Fi looks good, and would save a ton of money over Verizon, with more flexibility. I didn't care about having a premium phone though. My 2 1/2 year old Note 4 is perfect for my needs, so I might forget about switching to Fi. It does seem strange that if Google ants to grow Fi that they wouldn't have a low cost entry point.