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Re:The Truth About Autism: Scientists Reconsider What They T... by mattmaroon on Wednesday February 27, 2008 @11:43PM (#125257)
Ok, I'll say it. That's just plain stupid.

She's redefined language to mean something else, and then said hers is not inferior to ours. Twiddling a knob on a dresser is not a language, it's just an unusual curiosity. We don't have electricity and cars and antibiotics because people had conversations with doorknobs and running water. We have them because people communicated abstract ideas to each other. That's language.

"And you find yourself thinking: She might have a point."

Only if you don't know what the word language means. Otherwise you find yourself thinking "that's stupid."

Re:The Truth About Autism: Scientists Reconsider What They T... by TheTarquin on Thursday February 28, 2008 @02:40AM (#125315)
While you do have a point that language is only of communicative value if the shared terms are common, I'm just enough of a fan of Charles Taylor and his ilk to argue that communication isn't languages only function. It has deep importance for identity, if nothing else. The simple act of self-expression is significant for non-communicative reasons in that it helps us define for ourselves who we are.

That being said, I got the impression from the article that these videos are, in part, her attempt to translate her "native language" into English, rather than to talk through the use of her text-to-speech program. After all, all but the rarest of individuals thinks and expresses best in their native language.

Re:The Truth About Autism: Scientists Reconsider What They T... by yters on Thursday February 28, 2008 @03:20AM (#125328)
That's a good point. Which is why, if autistic people can't score well on tests aimed at people who process the world in a non autistic manner, the autistic people should be considered retarded. The article seems to have completely missed this; instead of defining intelligence as generally quick and precise thinking, it should be defined in terms of ability to communicate with normal people. I think this would eliminate a lot of confusion on the part of us normal people and make the world easier to understand.
Re:The Truth About Autism: Scientists Reconsider What They T... by curi on Thursday February 28, 2008 @03:56AM (#125347)
is this ironic?
Re:The Truth About Autism: Scientists Reconsider What They T... by yters on Thursday February 28, 2008 @04:47PM (#125695)
Yes. I tried to tread the fine line between making my point and being subtle, but I failed.

The article's countering exactly the issue I say it missed.

Re:The Truth About Autism: Scientists Reconsider What They T... by curi on Thursday February 28, 2008 @05:49PM (#125728)
It's not that you failed exactly -- I thought I got the point. It's just that it's pretty hard to be sure on online forums. Plus I didn't read the article :)

What I noticed was you said we should define intelligence in terms of being normal instead of thinking quickly and precisely. So I guessed you were making fun of the parent post by agreeing in a silly way.

Re:The Truth About Autism: Scientists Reconsider What They T... by yters on Thursday February 28, 2008 @10:26PM (#125867)
Yep, zegactly!

The article's point is that though we generally rank autistic people as retarded according to intelligence tests, these tests are biased towards a certain form of communication. If the autistic people communicate on their own terms, they are often quite bright. There is an intelligence test called Raven that can get past the communication barrier better than the standard test.

And, at the risk of being pedantic, there are multiple levels of irony going on in my original response, since the subject is misunderstood communication.

Re:The Truth About Autism: Scientists Reconsider What They T... by run4yourlives on Thursday February 28, 2008 @02:02PM (#125610)
yes, completely.
Re:The Truth About Autism: Scientists Reconsider What They T... by ntoshev on Thursday February 28, 2008 @02:16AM (#125308)
She doesn't redefine language, this is the meaning she has always understood. And it is different from your and my meaning, but still very close and human. Autism may ultimately help us understand ourselves.
Re:The Truth About Autism: Scientists Reconsider What They T... by mattmaroon on Thursday February 28, 2008 @02:50PM (#125633)
That's incorrect though. That's like saying someone always called an orange an apple, and therefore their apple (really an orange) is the same as ours.

The whole point of a word is so that when I say it, you know what it means. The word "language" has an agreed upon meaning, and that meaning is not twiddling a knob.

Re:The Truth About Autism: Scientists Reconsider What They T... by ntoshev on Thursday February 28, 2008 @03:29PM (#125653)
Apples and oranges are not the same, but they have things in common. That's why we have a concept of a fruit. You and I have never thought twiddling a knob and words have things in common, and yet another human being finds them almost identical. This is when I realized that it is really human to think about interacting with environment in the same way we interact with other people. I wouldn't have thought of this by myself.

Yes, she doesn't use the word "language" in the meaning we "normal" people have agreed to. But this is not the point.

Re:The Truth About Autism: Scientists Reconsider What They T... by dangph on Thursday February 28, 2008 @10:18AM (#125477)
I think that language is mostly used by people for forming bonds with other people. That's the purpose of most conversations. It is emotionally fulfilling. But autistic people typically respond emotionally more to things than to people. (This is something that many here should be able to understand to some degree.) Watch the video. She talks about a "conversation" with her surroundings. I think that's what she means by "language". She specifically says that her language doesn't have any semantic content, if that is what is bothering you.
Re:The Truth About Autism: Scientists Reconsider What They T... by run4yourlives on Thursday February 28, 2008 @02:19AM (#125310)
You may want to finish reading the article...because right now I'm finding myself thinking "He's stupid". :-)