Re:Google's CFO Ruth Porat is pushing “creatives” to bring c...
by crucifiction on Saturday September 17, 2016 @10:55PM
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as a thought experiment, Amazon is basically the opposite of the google culture in this perspective (door desks, soda/food is not subsidized, equipment is just barely enough, etc). now, this leads to lots of complaints from a subset of engineers who do then go to google (or like) pretty quickly. but Amazon does seem to be able to innovate (aws, kindle/fire, alexa) and survive in very low margin businesses. google seems to have struggled to move beyond search in any meaningful way.
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Re:Google's CFO Ruth Porat is pushing “creatives” to bring c...
by shiift on Sunday September 18, 2016 @05:17AM
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I understand the point you're trying to make about the stress on frugality at Amazon and I agree with you, but your specific points are more accurate for past Amazon. These days Amazon has become significantly more accommodating.
The door desks are more of a tradition. You can request more expensive automatic standing desks easily. The soda/food is not subsidized day-to-day, but we do get coffee and tea (and if you stay late due to work you can get reimbursed for dinner depending on your team). The hardware is perfectly fine as well. I have 2x 1440p monitors and an i7 13" Retina MacBook Pro as well as a cloud desktop (courtesy of AWS) with scaling hardware as I need it for development.
Re:Google's CFO Ruth Porat is pushing “creatives” to bring c...
by crucifiction on Sunday September 18, 2016 @11:47PM
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I am also at Amazon currently. You are right, its not as frugal as in the past but it is still significantly more frugal than an environment like Google or similar startups/unicorns that go for that. I have interviewed people who are horrified to see soda machines with prices. Requesting a nicer desk (which requires some ergo hoops), no daily soda/food, and decent but not fully maxed out hardware is still pretty frugal comparatively for engineers, even if they have loosened things up in the last 3-4 years from before. While Amazon now provides you hardware that is actual functional for the job, places like Google are giving you free yoga and dry cleaning.
Re:Google's CFO Ruth Porat is pushing “creatives” to bring c...
by maverick_iceman on Sunday September 18, 2016 @01:43AM
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>google seems to have struggled to move beyond search in any meaningful way.
Ever heard of Gmail, Chrome, YouTube or Android?
Re:Google's CFO Ruth Porat is pushing “creatives” to bring c...
by majewsky on Sunday September 18, 2016 @09:52AM
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I don't think the first two make any revenue, except in terms of data collected.
Re:Google's CFO Ruth Porat is pushing “creatives” to bring c...
by honkhonkpants on Sunday September 18, 2016 @06:29PM
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I'm sure you don't believe that Gmail's revenue is zero.