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Re:Swedish court upholds Assange arrest warrant by onion2k on Friday September 16, 2016 @07:23AM (#12513234)
You're absolutely right, Assange should face his accusers in court. That's obvious. The problem is that Sweden and the UK are complicit in America's desire to seize Assange and put him in prison without even the possibility of a fair trial, and the first step in that process is his extradition to the US from either the UK or Sweden. That is what's interfering with the case and what Assange is fleeing from, not the rape allegation.

If the UK and Sweden were to agree that Assange wouldn't be extradited to the US I imagine he'd be on the next flight to Stockholm. It's the extradition order that's blocking these two women getting justice, not Assange himself.

Re:Swedish court upholds Assange arrest warrant by willvarfar on Friday September 16, 2016 @07:28AM (#12513249)
What extradition order?

The Swedes have asked the UK to extradite him to Sweden.

The US hasn't asked either the UK nor Sweden to extradite him to the US. Is there even a court case against him in the US?

The extradition to the US seems to be Assange's own narrative. Why didn't the US reach out to get him on the streets of London?

Re:Swedish court upholds Assange arrest warrant by feelix on Friday September 16, 2016 @05:34PM (#12517531)
> The extradition to the US seems to be Assange's own narrative

This is the real issue. Whether or not he would likely be extradited if he were to return to Sweden.

Obviously Assange thinks he will otherwise he would have returned long ago.

If you think he would not be, then that should be the focus of your debate.

Re:Swedish court upholds Assange arrest warrant by mtgx on Friday September 16, 2016 @07:34AM (#12513279)
The US gov has charges against Assange lined-up. They're just waiting for the opportunity to bring him in.

http://www.mediaite.com/tv/assange-why-is-doj-wikileaks-inve...

Re:Swedish court upholds Assange arrest warrant by eli on Friday September 16, 2016 @07:42AM (#12513314)
I don't think that's true and your link doesn't support there even being any charges against him, let alone there being a plan to extradite.
Re:Swedish court upholds Assange arrest warrant by belorn on Friday September 16, 2016 @07:59AM (#12513383)
http://www.svt.se/ug/julian-assange-riskerar-utlamning-till-...

Why would a nation give a warrant for communication data associated with a person, close down that persons bank accounts, and send investigators to interview people close to the person and request evidence? Those are the supporting evidence, and while it doesn't conclusively prove anything, some people would conclude that it is enough to warrant caution.

Re:Swedish court upholds Assange arrest warrant by Ressuder on Friday September 16, 2016 @07:52AM (#12513360)
It's an unrealistic demand, which Assange is fully aware of. The Swedish constitution makes it illegal for politicians to interfer with the judicial system.

Our laws do also, by the way, make it impossible for us to extradite him to the US without the consent of the UK, so it seems awfully convenient that he claims that he would trust an illegal guarantee by the Swedish government but not that it would follow it's own laws. That is, unless the UK is the problem - but then why the hell did he go there in the first place, and stayed there?

Re:Swedish court upholds Assange arrest warrant by vintermann on Friday September 16, 2016 @08:10AM (#12513435)
This keeps getting claimed. No, Sweden is a sovereign nation and its extradition treaties are bilateral - that means they interpret them as they wish.

If they think the demands for extradition are not fulfilled, they can say so, and that's the final word. There's nothing the US or UK can do but complain, there's no court they can apply to to overrule such a decision (because of course, the UK or US governments would certainly not allow themselves to be overruled by any independent court in a matter like this).

The national courts can overrule the government and say that an extradition is illegal, even if government wants to extradite. But the converse is not true: if the court thinks that an extradition would be permissible, the government can still stop it. They can even promise this beforehand, preempting the need for a court ruling. See sovereignty, again.

At worst this would be "impolite". The government of course loathes to do something like this, because then they have to answer for all the cases they did not intervene in with the courts and the civic service's many rulings. They would like to wash their hands of unpopular decisions. But they do in fact intervene quite a lot.

That the government claims "we must not meddle with the judiciary" as some holy principle is darkly ironic in this case. Because if you don't think it was political that Marianne Ny revived the case after it had been firmly dismissed by the previous prosecutor, how naive are you?

Re:Swedish court upholds Assange arrest warrant by eli on Friday September 16, 2016 @09:08AM (#12513690)
"bilateral" means "interpret as they wish" ?
Re:Swedish court upholds Assange arrest warrant by vintermann on Monday September 19, 2016 @06:35AM (#12530270)
Basically, yes. Like a gentleman's agreement, there's no one around to interpret it for you or punish you if you "misinterpret" it - other than the other party, obviously.
Re:Swedish court upholds Assange arrest warrant by eli on Friday September 16, 2016 @07:45AM (#12513332)
If Assange is facing charges in the US (and I don't think there's any evidence he is) then that's his problem. You don't get to avoid prosecution for a crime because it is politically or legally inconvenient for you.
Re:Swedish court upholds Assange arrest warrant by pessimizer on Friday September 16, 2016 @08:04AM (#12513406)
It clearly is his problem, because he's been stuck in the Ecuadorian embassy for years. That sounds like his problem.

> You don't get to avoid prosecution for a crime because it is politically or legally inconvenient for you.

You clearly do, if the alternative for the people who want to prosecute you is to violate international norms and storm an embassy.

Re:Swedish court upholds Assange arrest warrant by DanBC on Friday September 16, 2016 @07:49AM (#12513347)
> The problem is that Sweden and the UK are complicit

The UK isn't that complicit, because he's been here for a while and the UK has done fuck all.

Re:Swedish court upholds Assange arrest warrant by pessimizer on Friday September 16, 2016 @08:02AM (#12513393)
Since when has "fuck all" cost £10m?

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-31159594

Re:Swedish court upholds Assange arrest warrant by DanBC on Friday September 16, 2016 @09:12AM (#12513709)
You prove my point. They spent £10m and he's still here.

If they really wanted him in the US they'd have spent a tenth of that and had him renditioned.

Re:Swedish court upholds Assange arrest warrant by onion2k on Friday September 16, 2016 @08:02AM (#12513396)
Legally an embassy is a tiny parcel of sovereign land that belongs to the country it's an embassy of, so strictly speaking, he's in Ecuador.
Re:Swedish court upholds Assange arrest warrant by hamax on Friday September 16, 2016 @08:11AM (#12513440)
This is not true.
Re:Swedish court upholds Assange arrest warrant by pessimizer on Friday September 16, 2016 @08:14AM (#12513458)
It isn't true because there's no such thing as international law, but it is true because it's a norm.