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Re:Teen Creates “Sit with Us” App for Bullied Kids by kstenerud on Wednesday September 14, 2016 @12:36PM (#12498712)
You don't need to physically overthrow him. All you have to do is retaliate. Violence brings respect, and since he's only looking for an easy victim anyway, he'll go find someone else to torment.
Re:Teen Creates “Sit with Us” App for Bullied Kids by orbitur on Wednesday September 14, 2016 @02:33PM (#12499929)
My personal experience directly contradicts this.

We were in the waiting area before seeing the principal about an earlier push+shove in class. He kept going on and on about how after school was over, he was gonna fuck me up, etc, etc.

I "snapped," I lost my shit and stood up and started wailing on him. Or I would have liked to, but my first few punches were wild and didn't touch him, and he was up before I knew it and suddenly I was on the ground with part of glasses frames stuck in my face. And then he kicked me a couple times before one of the secretary's pulled him away from me.

We were both suspended, and when we got back, he hunted me down and started threatening me with a tree branch. Thankfully I had friends around, and one of them punched him. That stopped him.

So fuck your "all you need to do is retaliate". What I needed was several months of fight training??? A body I knew how to control???

Re:Teen Creates “Sit with Us” App for Bullied Kids by kstenerud on Wednesday September 14, 2016 @06:33PM (#12501772)
Yes. You missed. That sucks, but that's life. Nobody said it was going to be fair.

Had you stalked him and hit him good, he would have left you alone. But your friend retaliated for you, and he did leave you alone afterwards, so similar result.

Re:Teen Creates “Sit with Us” App for Bullied Kids by orbitur on Wednesday September 14, 2016 @06:45PM (#12501845)
> That sucks, but that's life

Okay. OP's advice is no good if it's not applicable to everyone.

Re:Teen Creates “Sit with Us” App for Bullied Kids by wybiral on Wednesday September 14, 2016 @07:23PM (#12502075)
You're just trolling, right?
Re:Teen Creates “Sit with Us” App for Bullied Kids by kstenerud on Thursday September 15, 2016 @11:14AM (#12506835)
No. This is real life. There are no guarantees, only probabilities. And your probability of actually being killed is low, so you get to choose between self respect and some pain.
Re:Teen Creates “Sit with Us” App for Bullied Kids by wybiral on Wednesday September 14, 2016 @12:42PM (#12498770)
What I'm saying is that you should be careful when teaching retaliation. A bullied and frightened child might resort to using a weapon.

The lines between which types of violence "bring you respect" and which don't might not be clearly established at a young age.

Re:Teen Creates “Sit with Us” App for Bullied Kids by kstenerud on Wednesday September 14, 2016 @12:47PM (#12498826)
And you can worry about someone falling down the stairs and breaking their neck, or catching some disease from open wounds, or the bully is unstable and decides to go on a killing spree.

There comes a point where you have to stop picking out unlikely scenarios and using them as a wet blanket.

Re:Teen Creates “Sit with Us” App for Bullied Kids by wybiral on Wednesday September 14, 2016 @01:05PM (#12499029)
Hmm. All I'm saying is that when encouraging violent reactions to things you should do so carefully and explain the difference.

But I'd also explain why you shouldn't play on tall staircases or leave serious wounds untreated. Maybe I'd make a terrible parent?

Re:Teen Creates “Sit with Us” App for Bullied Kids by kstenerud on Wednesday September 14, 2016 @03:40PM (#12500533)
African villages have deep pits for various purposes. Kids wander about the village all day long and don't fall in. They don't even need to be told not to fall in.

A sheltered child never learns how to take care of himself in the real, hostile world.

Re:Teen Creates “Sit with Us” App for Bullied Kids by wybiral on Wednesday September 14, 2016 @08:13PM (#12502402)
Are you suggesting that it's better to not educate a child because in Africa kids just know not to fall into holes?

Education isn't "sheltering".

Proper education allows children to avoid or resolve hostility without resorting to violence. Not in all situations, but like you said, the other situations are "unlikely scenarios" and peaceful resolution should be preferred otherwise.

In most societies we only respect violence as a defensive measure and before it gets to that point you should do what you can do resolve the issue by other means.

Re:Teen Creates “Sit with Us” App for Bullied Kids by triplesec on Thursday September 15, 2016 @08:30AM (#12505508)
There are no such pits in any of the (many) African villages I have visited