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Re:Google’s become an obsessive stalker by falcolas on Wednesday September 14, 2016 @09:58AM (#12496892)
> and skimming a bit of info on me

Is it really a "bit of info" though? Or is it your complete physical movements made with your phone, every web address you type in, every website you travel to (and search for) from Google search, every site you are are shown an adsense ad upon, your detailed browsing habits via Google Analytics, the entire contents of messages transcribed by Google Now, every app you purchase and use...

They appear to have controls to limit how this data is used today - a very good thing. However, we also have to trust every employee at Google now and in the future, as well as any company which Google subcontracts out to now and in the future, and any company which may eventually acquire Google, (not even thinking about Governments) to also respect our privacy with regards to this data.

Re:Google’s become an obsessive stalker by amarant on Wednesday September 14, 2016 @11:28AM (#12497922)
if thats the price for all of googles services, I'm down with it! the data collection, or rather the advertisment it enables, is what is paying for all that android development and searchengine servers etc.

That said it would be a cool idea to have a "google premium" where you pay a fee every month to keep all your data to yourself and don't recieve any ads

Re:Google’s become an obsessive stalker by kuschku on Wednesday September 14, 2016 @12:16PM (#12498459)
> if thats the price for all of googles services, I'm down with it! the data collection, or rather the advertisment it enables, is what is paying for all that android development and searchengine servers etc.

That not only completely destroys some of your fundamental rights, but also creates a selective pressure to force others to do the same.

Re:Google’s become an obsessive stalker by amarant on Tuesday September 20, 2016 @03:55AM (#12537888)
meh, still better than developing a OS and a searchengine by myself! if I thought otherwise I wouldn't use any of google's services. neither should you if you are so concerned by the data they collect. checkout pwniephone, duckduckgo and hushmail: your data will no longer belong to google!
Re:Google’s become an obsessive stalker by Ntrails on Wednesday September 14, 2016 @10:16AM (#12497043)
Can they connect my google searches on my PC with those on my phone? Are they able to identify maps stuff coming from the same phone as my searches? Are they also able to collate incognito searches?

I'm not exactly hugely bothered - but I assume not being signed into google limits them to cookie based aggregation?

Re:Google’s become an obsessive stalker by meredydd on Wednesday September 14, 2016 @10:28AM (#12497168)
Yes and yes, respectively. They openly correlate your physical presence in retail shops with your web browsing, so as to count web-to-physical conversions for that shop's advertising.

The latter two (piercing the Incognito veil) are technically straightforward, but I doubt they do it. Google is pretty tightly bound by a certain set of ethics. By their lights, that creepy McDonalds experience is totally OK, but ignoring explicit privacy settings is not legit.

This is why they bother with dark patterns like making it inconvenient - but not impossible - to turn off Google Play's access to location data. They could just ignore you, but they won't. I'd bet they do collect and keep the information for some time [eg for anti-abuse], but deliberately don't use it. (And consequently feel very proud of how ethical they're being, compared with others in their industry, and how terribly unfair it is when people complain about them but not the sleazier ad networks.)

As I see it, the "advertising creepiness" problem has two factors. One is black-hats explicitly extracting information you're not sharing (eg Evercookie, canvas fingerprinting and friends). The other is grey-hats like Google, Facebook and MS, whose access to that data is perfectly legitimate in that you gave them permission (what, you didn't click through the three small buttons within 30 days to withold your WhatsApp contacts from Facebook? Too bad!), but whose market dominance and dark patterns make giving them that data less and less of a free choice. Conflating the two is easy but unhelpful.

Re:Google’s become an obsessive stalker by falcolas on Wednesday September 14, 2016 @10:22AM (#12497099)
If you're not signed in, the connection may not be explicit. But with a minimal amount of effort, they could easily connect the two. If you've ever used your phone on your home's WiFi, at a minimum they'll have a high degree of correlation via the IPs.

I'm of the opinion that if they can extrapolate your age, ethnicity, gender, location, health, and "interests", then they can easily join two "disconnected" profiles.

Re:Google’s become an obsessive stalker by MarkMc on Wednesday September 14, 2016 @10:27AM (#12497148)
> Or is it your complete physical movements made with your phone

You can turn off location tracking on your phone, can't you?

Re:Google’s become an obsessive stalker by dredmorbius on Wednesday September 14, 2016 @12:08PM (#12498367)
I've disabled GPS on my Android device, but there is no way to turn off all location tracking on a cell-based device. Google may still have a strong indication of location information based on IP data and cell tower geocoding databases, particularly in conjunction with known WiFi location maps.

But on the other side: you cannot turn off requests for location information to be requested repeatedly on browsers or devices. Firefox (my primary mobile browser) surfaces dialogs for this information repeatedly. Every last fucking update of Google Maps, until I deleted and disabled the application in frustration, demanded location information.

So you'll still be bombarded with requests, and you've only got to fuck up once for the direct link to be re-enabled.

And despite that, you can be tracked to within a fraction of a km, and often to within meters, by other means.

Re:Google’s become an obsessive stalker by falcolas on Wednesday September 14, 2016 @10:59AM (#12497550)
Yes, but I have two thoughts about that:

Defaults matter.

They still track what IP you connect from, and can correlate this to a physical address. I can connect to google and get search results tailored to my physical location, even if location services is not allowed for their site.

Re:Google’s become an obsessive stalker by randomnerdiness on Wednesday September 14, 2016 @11:23AM (#12497858)
Perhaps. However, I'm in AZ, and the 'tailored search results' are usually the midwest or silicon valley.

I think it depends entirely on what your ISP is handing over for location data. Mine clearly doesn't hand over anything useful.

Re:Google’s become an obsessive stalker by pmontra on Wednesday September 14, 2016 @10:34AM (#12497220)
I did and I'm perfectly happy to miss what I'm missing.

BTW I'm still able to find myself on a map and look at what's around. Google Maps don't require location tracking for that.