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Re:Watched: Police are stockpiling databases with personal i... by jethro_tell on Tuesday September 13, 2016 @01:53PM (#12490659)
yeah, when your police are walking around with a stick and a helmet, the balance of power is pretty stable. Americans don't have this option.
Re:Watched: Police are stockpiling databases with personal i... by RonanTheGrey on Tuesday September 13, 2016 @02:09PM (#12490797)
That seems a fairly shortsighted estimation of what balances power between police and the people.

And FWIW the UK is arming more of its police, since that is clearly the country you are referring to.

Re:Watched: Police are stockpiling databases with personal i... by jethro_tell on Tuesday September 13, 2016 @02:49PM (#12491135)
>since that is clearly the country you are referring to

no not really, there are a lot of countries without armed or heavily armed police forces.

>That seems a fairly shortsighted estimation of what balances power between police and the people.

So does the NRA's idea that the second amendment will allow people to overthrow the government if they still own guns.

But at the end of the day, forcing your police force to think deescalation first has some real benefits. Carrying a fatal weapon and being trained that people within 25-30 feet are in your 'danger zone' has had a very poor outcome.

Re:Watched: Police are stockpiling databases with personal i... by hga on Tuesday September 13, 2016 @03:35PM (#12491495)
Carrying a fatal weapon and being trained that people within 25-30 feet are in your 'danger zone' has had a very poor outcome.

But the "within 25-30 feet" at least has it being the truth in its favor. And none of this has changed, US cops have always been well armed, right?

The problem I see is the switch from their being "peace officers" to warrior cops, or at the very minimum, having as their #1 objective making it home safely when their shift ends. Rather negates the "Thin Blue Line" concept of their being there to protect us, also calls into question their outsized benefit packages.

Re:Watched: Police are stockpiling databases with personal i... by jethro_tell on Tuesday September 13, 2016 @05:07PM (#12492244)
>US cops have always been well armed, right

Not really, they carried a revolver or .38 special, might have had a shotgun between the front seats or in the trunk, Using khaki as the only body armor. Now there are police whose primary weapon is an ar-15 and the backup is a semi-auto .40 mm glock. everyone else has an ar-15 in the trunk and a glock in hand plus varying levels of body armor.

That's a far cry from having a 6 shot revolver on your hip just in case.

Re:Watched: Police are stockpiling databases with personal i... by hga on Tuesday September 13, 2016 @05:27PM (#12492414)
By those days standards that was "well armed", some police and some criminals carried semi-autos, the 1911 was obviously popular being the military issue sidearm since that year, but it wasn't common. And a shotgun is a fearsome weapon at shorter ranges, out to 100 yards or so; it's just that an AR-15 is better for almost all police purposes, ditto for civilians for self-defense.

And in the long run, I suspect trading their khaki for body armor and the disdain or worse of civilians will be viewed as a mistake.

Re:Watched: Police are stockpiling databases with personal i... by hackuser on Tuesday September 13, 2016 @05:13PM (#12492298)
> "within 25-30 feet" at least has it being the truth in its favor

From what I've read, there is no basis for it.

Re:Watched: Police are stockpiling databases with personal i... by jethro_tell on Tuesday September 13, 2016 @05:42PM (#12492514)
There is some basis for it. If someone actively and aggressively wants to stab you you should have your weapon drawn. But the training seems to be around assuming everyone within 30 ft wants to stab you.
Re:Watched: Police are stockpiling databases with personal i... by hackuser on Tuesday September 13, 2016 @07:40PM (#12493152)
I know that's the training. What I've read is that there is no basis for that training. Do you know of the basis?
Re:Watched: Police are stockpiling databases with personal i... by hga on Tuesday September 13, 2016 @05:51PM (#12492567)
Trying watching videos of the Tueller Drill.

I've done it myself, timed the speed I could lunge 21 feet, it's true enough. And that's a minimum, allow more feet to realize there's a threat etc.