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Re:Edward Snowden makes 'moral' case for presidential pardon by lordnacho on Tuesday September 13, 2016 @09:51AM (#12488193)
I bet everyone's been digging for precedent. Found this:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samuel_Loring_Morison

Samuel Loring Morison (born October 30, 1944) is a former American intelligence professional, who was convicted of espionage and theft of government property in 1985, and pardoned in 2001. He was "the only [American] government official ever convicted for giving classified information to the press."

Seems pretty similar superficially. I wonder if he'll do it, Obama.

Also something quite odd is the number of pardons that seem a bit suspect. For instance Clinton pardoned his own brother. And Marc Rich. Think what you may of him (famous commodity trader, lots of shady deals rumoured), but his crime doesn't seem to be anything out of the ordinary.

Pardoning Snowden would be a comment on the surveillance state, something worthwhile to talk about. Pardoning some guy who smuggled some oil doesn't seem to have a purpose in regards to the state's role in society.

Re:Edward Snowden makes 'moral' case for presidential pardon by Maarten88 on Tuesday September 13, 2016 @12:35PM (#12489880)
> Marc Rich [...] his crime doesn't seem to be anything out of the ordinary

One of the biggest US tax frauds ever, polluted and corrupted Zambia, fled to Switzerland to avoid prosecution (just the tax thing of course), hired lobbyists, sponsored congress library and some politicians, pardoned by Bill Clinton. An example of class justice, corruption and other things wrong in the US, but as you said: nothing out of the ordinary...

I'm afraid Snowden did not make enough money to pay off the right people, like Rich did.

Re:Edward Snowden makes 'moral' case for presidential pardon by freyr on Tuesday September 13, 2016 @01:11PM (#12490243)
I think he meant "nothing out of the ordinary" as in nothing to warrant a pardon.

Except, of course, he was rich and well connected.

Re:Edward Snowden makes 'moral' case for presidential pardon by talmand on Tuesday September 13, 2016 @10:13AM (#12488383)
Considering the Obama administration's actions towards whistle blowers, despite promising to be highly transparent, suggests Snowden will not be pardoned any time soon.
Re:Edward Snowden makes 'moral' case for presidential pardon by rbanffy on Tuesday September 13, 2016 @02:21PM (#12490909)
In his place, I'd only pardon Snowden and Manning after the election is decided.
Re:Edward Snowden makes 'moral' case for presidential pardon by talmand on Tuesday September 13, 2016 @02:35PM (#12491038)
I would imagine the only way that Obama would pardon those two after the election is if Trump won. Clinton will most likely continue the practice of coming down hard on whistle blowers. It would not help her administration in this regard if Obama pardoned people for the very things she wishes to crack down on.

If Trump wins then what difference does it make?

Re:Edward Snowden makes 'moral' case for presidential pardon by grecy on Tuesday September 13, 2016 @10:21AM (#12488458)
>Pardoning some guy who smuggled some oil doesn't seem to have a purpose in regards to the state's role in society.

Unless the role of the elected officials of that state is to make sure they and their friends become obscenely rich, and have impunity even when they do illegal things.

Re:Edward Snowden makes 'moral' case for presidential pardon by DigitalJack on Tuesday September 13, 2016 @12:01PM (#12489500)
I think it would be better to say "obscenely become rich" rather than "become obscenely rich." I personally don't think there is anything obscene about being rich in and of itself.
Re:Edward Snowden makes 'moral' case for presidential pardon by optimuspaul on Tuesday September 13, 2016 @02:37PM (#12491051)
at some point the level becomes obscene. that level may be obscenely high for you, but I assure you it is much lower for those that are poor.
Re:Edward Snowden makes 'moral' case for presidential pardon by DigitalJack on Tuesday September 13, 2016 @05:12PM (#12492286)
What does the morality of my bank account have to do with yours? Why does a bank account have morality?
Re:Edward Snowden makes 'moral' case for presidential pardon by loup-vaillant on Tuesday September 13, 2016 @05:44PM (#12492526)
Big fat bank accounts let you control the action of other people: you buy some goodie or some service, someone works to provide it to you.

There is a point where having so much control over other people's lives can be considered a problem.

Now maybe it wouldn't be so bad if your own hard work indeed did produced that much value the world. But that's moot: virtually nobody gets rich by working β€”in practice, they got there by having other people work for them. That is, they accumulate the power of controlling other people's lives by controlling other people's lives in the first place.

Anarcho-capitalism is such an oxymoron.

Re:Edward Snowden makes 'moral' case for presidential pardon by pc86 on Tuesday September 13, 2016 @10:38AM (#12488617)
> Pardoning Snowden would be a comment on the surveillance state

Based on Obama's track record on privacy and surveillance I'm not sure what you think this comment would be.

Re:Edward Snowden makes 'moral' case for presidential pardon by Consultant32452 on Tuesday September 13, 2016 @04:14PM (#12491820)
I wonder how much practical difference it would make to pardon Snowden. It's likely not safe for him to return to the United States anyways.
Re:Edward Snowden makes 'moral' case for presidential pardon by slantedview on Tuesday September 13, 2016 @12:18PM (#12489679)
> He was "the only [American] government official ever convicted for giving classified information to the press."

What about Jeffrey Sterling?

Re:Edward Snowden makes 'moral' case for presidential pardon by burkaman on Tuesday September 13, 2016 @12:23PM (#12489729)
That quote is from an article published in 2001: http://www.nytimes.com/2001/03/03/opinion/abroad-at-home-the...

He might have been the only one at the time.

Re:Edward Snowden makes 'moral' case for presidential pardon by okwhatthe2 on Wednesday September 14, 2016 @12:54PM (#12498908)
> state's role in society

You may have just blown Hayden's mind.