Re:Edward Snowden makes 'moral' case for presidential pardon
by tptacek on Tuesday September 13, 2016 @09:08AM
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The bigger problem is that Snowden hasn't even been interrogated by the federal government, let alone tried, so it's difficult to really know what they'd be pardoning him for. Publishing the leaks is one thing, but if he's given access to foreign powers to information that has not been made public, that's another.
In the Marc Rich case, Clinton had a pretty good idea of what the upper bound of the crime being excused was. Also: he shouldn't have pardoned Rich, is I think the consensus at this point.
Re:Edward Snowden makes 'moral' case for presidential pardon
by idlewords on Tuesday September 13, 2016 @03:05PM
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I don't think the first point is an obstacle. Pardons can be conditional and limited to a specific (alleged) offense.
Re:Edward Snowden makes 'moral' case for presidential pardon
by rayiner on Tuesday September 13, 2016 @09:08AM
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Clinton later stated in public he regretted that decision and the damage it did to his legacy.
Re:Edward Snowden makes 'moral' case for presidential pardon
by tanderson92 on Tuesday September 13, 2016 @11:33AM
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It is always amazing to me when politicians say they "regret" an action, or "take responsibility" for a vote (see Clinton's statements on Iraq since 2014).
What does it even mean, apart from lip service to those who disagree with their vote? Politicians don't hold personal responsibility for the fallout of their policies, so it is just rhetoric intended to neutralize your negative opinions of them.
Re:Edward Snowden makes 'moral' case for presidential pardon
by Kadin on Tuesday September 13, 2016 @11:58AM
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> What does it even mean, apart from lip service to those who disagree with their vote?
Just what you suspect it does: nothing.
Re:Edward Snowden makes 'moral' case for presidential pardon
by rayiner on Tuesday September 13, 2016 @12:37PM
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Even if you think the apology was insincere and did nothing to ameliorate the harm of the pardon, at the very least the fact that Clinton was forced to apologize is evidence that, contrary to the assertion above, political reaction is "important in granting pardons."
Re:Edward Snowden makes 'moral' case for presidential pardon
by harryh on Tuesday September 13, 2016 @12:00PM
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Have you ever made a mistake? Did you apologize afterwards? Was that apology meaningful?
If that were important in granting pardons, Clinton wouldn't have pardoned Mark Rich. Those politically-opposed to Obama will remain so regardless of what he does, so he couldn't care less.