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Re:To tell someone they're wrong, first tell them how they'r... by gambiting on Tuesday September 13, 2016 @04:31AM (#12486442)
"I think creationist's thinking is something like this: 1. If evolution is true, then God is not."

Serious question - is this US-specific line of thinking? Because I was raised in Poland, which is ultra-religious and if you aren't a catholic you will be ostracized from your community, and yet evolution was NEVER questioned in my education, and I went to private catholic schools. It's widely accepted by everyone, I think even the pope supports it. Obviously, it's accepted in the line of "evolution is real, but God probably helped a bit along the way", but still, I don't know anyone crazy enough to say evolution is not real. And yet the assumption I always hear on HN and reddit is that if you are religious you don't believe in evolution - how come?

Re:To tell someone they're wrong, first tell them how they'r... by Nursie on Tuesday September 13, 2016 @05:22AM (#12486596)
This is mostly a US affliction, but spreading. Not catholic though - about two popes ago the pope issued a paper saying evolution was god's method and that the science was revealing the glory of God's work.

The problem in parts of the US is that some religious leaders decided, quite explicitly, to use evolution to drive a wedge between modern, 'materialist', scientific thinking and their followers. I think this is because they could forsee their congregations falling as more people became better informed and drifted away from religion. So they found a way to make it "us or them" and forge a new sort of unity through opposition. Unfortunately it took hold quite well and has been spread outside the US by US influenced churches and pastors.

Edit - this is part of it - https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wedge_strategy

Re:To tell someone they're wrong, first tell them how they'r... by bonoboTP on Tuesday September 13, 2016 @07:22AM (#12487051)
In Europe, even religious people don't take their religion seriously. It's rather a personal, cultural thing, something that makes one's soul feel good, something that creates communities, gives hope and consolation etc. It's put in a totally different sphere than worldly matters, like science, physics, biology etc. Religious talks even at ceremonies is always about how humans feel (and of course endlessly repeating the story of Jesus). But they don't usually touch topics that "smell" scientific and fact-like.

But this is quite a new development. It's hard for us to appreciate it, but there are other conceptions of religion's role in life. In the US, many religious people believe that things in the Bible literally describe how stuff is, it's not just an allegory or metaphor to help people in their lives. (Or similarly in Islam, the religion is not separate from all other aspects of life, but an inseparable part, without which nothing else makes sense).

Re:To tell someone they're wrong, first tell them how they'r... by dagw on Tuesday September 13, 2016 @07:28AM (#12487079)
is this US-specific line of thinking?

Indirectly. Creationism is really only a thing within certain subsets of baptist and evangelical branches of Christianity, and these branches haven't take a large hold in Europe, whereas in the US they've flourished. Catholics have never really gone for it, even in the US, as far as I'm aware.

Re:To tell someone they're wrong, first tell them how they'r... by dragonwriter on Tuesday September 13, 2016 @07:59PM (#12493246)
> Catholics have never really gone for it, even in the US, as far as I'm aware.

Catholics haven't gone for it the way certain branches of Protestantism have because adhering to Young Earth creationism in the face of empirical evidence to the contrary is largely, in those branches of Protestantism, a defense of a particular extreme form of a sola scriptura (a Protestant doctrine which directly contrasts with Catholicisms dual role for scripture and tradition) with Biblical literalism (which is likewise not a Catholic doctrine.)

There are Young Earth Creationists in the Catholic Church, but its a matter of personal belief that is far removed from the core doctrine and identity of the Church.

Re:To tell someone they're wrong, first tell them how they'r... by astine on Tuesday September 13, 2016 @02:37PM (#12491054)
I was raised Catholic. There is a subset who have definitely gone for creationism. They know that they are not obliged by the Church to believe in the literal story of genesis, but they still prefer it for various reasons.
Re:To tell someone they're wrong, first tell them how they'r... by woodandsteel on Tuesday September 13, 2016 @07:36PM (#12493128)
I have read that there are Muslims, at least in other countries, who are young-earth creationists and anti-darwinists.
Re:To tell someone they're wrong, first tell them how they'r... by pif on Tuesday September 13, 2016 @06:29AM (#12486826)
> I was raised in Poland, which is ultra-religious

I grew up in Italy. No comment needed, I suppose :-)

Still science is science, and religion is religion. They manage to live together in (enough) harmony. But idiot thesis like creationism are never given any more credit than a promise by a politician in the last days before an election.