I'll say to you what I said above, but even moreso: Er... I'm not sure what you're saying here, so I'll clarify what I was saying. What I mean is, we all agree on what DFAs are, and so we all agree on what regular languages in the original, Kleene sense are. But once we start admitting non-regular languages into our notion of "regular expression" because they're "straightforwardly tacked on", it's unclear what the limits are supposed to be.

I'm not actually a fan of using "regular expressions" in a sense broader than that of Kleene's regular, DFA-accepted languages, to be clear. That is exactly what I've been questioning.

You can actually quite easily add features to regular expressions, that are typically excluded while still being actually regular. Examples would be an `and` or a `not` operator.

What I am saying is that you can come up with a lot of extensions of the basic regular expression language. But there is no subjectivity at all in whether the extensions can be implemented by a DFA. Either you can, or you can't.