News for hackers. Stuff that matters.
Re:You Suck at Excel with Joel Spolsky (2015) [video] by TallGuyShort on Wednesday September 07, 2016 @07:45PM (#12448994)
I've been using Linux on the desktop for years and have never missed Microsoft Office (except for Project, a little bit). Now seeing R1C1 notation is making me want Excel... Any recommendations for FOSS spreadsheet software that supports R1C1 notation or that is generally better than LibreOffice Calc?
Re:You Suck at Excel with Joel Spolsky (2015) [video] by codemac on Wednesday September 07, 2016 @08:34PM (#12449273)
The most interesting spreadsheet is http://siag.nu/siag/, but it's obviously not what you're looking for.

Honestly? Excel is a premier application, that microsoft spends extreme amounts of effort making great. There isn't a FOSS spreadsheet program that really comes close. It's not that there can't be, it's that the excel line is moving faster forward than current FOSS spreadsheet projects.

Re:You Suck at Excel with Joel Spolsky (2015) [video] by cdolan92 on Wednesday September 07, 2016 @08:24PM (#12449229)
To be honest I'd recommend an Office 365 subscription and use Excel in the browser, if you are unwilling to get a mac/windows installation with a desktop app.

Perhaps its a 'purest' mentality, but if you're going to learn how to use a spreadsheet app, may as well learn the one that is most well known and widely used. As the video shows, Google Apps, Numbers, and the rest of them really are missing core features.

Joel didn't even get into VBA scripting - thats some advanced stuff that once you realize you need it, but you're stuck in Google Apps...... well, maybe this crowd is smart enough just to make a web app to solve the issue haha! Myself? I stick to Excel.

Re:You Suck at Excel with Joel Spolsky (2015) [video] by TallGuyShort on Thursday September 08, 2016 @09:50AM (#12452956)
>> Perhaps its a 'purest' mentality, but if you're going to learn how to use a spreadsheet app

It's not any more purist than sticking to FOSS :)

Re:You Suck at Excel with Joel Spolsky (2015) [video] by catern on Wednesday September 07, 2016 @08:11PM (#12449151)
It looks like LibreOffice Calc does actually support R1C1 notation.

There is also the spreadsheet support in Emacs org-mode.

Re:You Suck at Excel with Joel Spolsky (2015) [video] by flukus on Wednesday September 07, 2016 @09:46PM (#12449595)
+1 for org mode. There is also a table mode plugin for vim that's great (on smallish tables).
Re:You Suck at Excel with Joel Spolsky (2015) [video] by saint_fiasco on Wednesday September 07, 2016 @10:52PM (#12449928)
LibreOffice has R1C1 notation too.

Go to Tools, Options, LibreOffice Calc, Formula and select "Excel R1C1" in the Formula syntax dropdown menu.

Re:You Suck at Excel with Joel Spolsky (2015) [video] by TallGuyShort on Thursday September 08, 2016 @09:51AM (#12452966)
Appreciated! Thought I had thoroughly checked that dialog yesterday. Not the first time I've wanted a "buy them a beer" button on HN.
Re:You Suck at Excel with Joel Spolsky (2015) [video] by jldugger on Wednesday September 07, 2016 @07:50PM (#12449023)
R1C1 isn't much different than normal calculation. You can already use $ for absolute row / column references.
Re:You Suck at Excel with Joel Spolsky (2015) [video] by Tomte on Thursday September 08, 2016 @03:09AM (#12450874)
The point is that it is much more intuitively understandable what happens when you fill whole columns with that formula.

In R1C1 notation it's obvious because the formula doesn't change. In normal notation the exact same thing happens under the hood, but the cell references you're seeing change.

Re:You Suck at Excel with Joel Spolsky (2015) [video] by jldugger on Thursday September 08, 2016 @12:12PM (#12454347)
Maybe, but named ranges make the whole thing somewhat moot. Your formulas should be human readable, ideally.
Re:You Suck at Excel with Joel Spolsky (2015) [video] by Tuna-Fish on Wednesday September 07, 2016 @07:54PM (#12449048)
http://ccm.net/faq/24592-libreoffice-calc-switch-to-excel-r1...

I recently had to use a spreadsheet for a first time in a few years, and LO Calc seemed to be dramatically better than OOo Calc back when I last used it.

Re:You Suck at Excel with Joel Spolsky (2015) [video] by riboflava on Wednesday September 07, 2016 @08:01PM (#12449086)
http://www.gnumeric.org/ is pretty good.
Re:You Suck at Excel with Joel Spolsky (2015) [video] by TallGuyShort on Thursday September 08, 2016 @09:46AM (#12452922)
Thanks - I used Gnumeric on a netbook for a long time. It was indeed a good choice at a time when I needed something very lightweight. I do recall it being quite limited, however... I'd be pretty surprised if it had more of the features Joel Sposky was showcasing than Open/LibreOffice Calc.
Re:You Suck at Excel with Joel Spolsky (2015) [video] by ams6110 on Wednesday September 07, 2016 @08:17PM (#12449188)
Unless it's improved quite a bit in the last few years, no it isn't very good.
Re:You Suck at Excel with Joel Spolsky (2015) [video] by mschaef on Thursday September 08, 2016 @10:56AM (#12453569)
It's been a year or two since I've used it, but the last time I checked, it hasn't improved all that much. It was generally rather slow and limited.

This is really a shame, because of Gnumeric's history. It was (along with Gimp) one of the very first GTK applications, and present at the beginning of the Gnome desktop suite.

Re:You Suck at Excel with Joel Spolsky (2015) [video] by bzbarsky on Thursday September 08, 2016 @10:15AM (#12453176)
Gnumeric supports R1C1 notation. It's a checkbox under the "Format" menu, "Sheet" submenu.