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Re:iPhone 7 by eridius on Wednesday September 07, 2016 @05:25PM (#12447864)
> aside from the very obvious one: they're going to make a shitload of money by forcing everyone to buy new headphones

You obviously have no idea how Apple works. Apple would never in a million years make a user-hostile decision like this simply to collect royalties. They hold user experience to be sacred, and the fact that they're making this move now means they think that, at least in the long term, this will provide for a better overall user experience, despite the pain of the transition.

Everybody complained when Apple ditched the 30pin connector for Lightning too, basically all of the same arguments here (e.g. "Apple just wants everybody to buy new accessories"), but it turned out to be the right move. Making this argument again over the headphone port just means you don't know Apple and you don't know history.

Re:iPhone 7 by chetanahuja on Wednesday September 07, 2016 @05:36PM (#12447982)
"You obviously have no idea how Apple works."

I have no comment on how Apple actually works or doesn't work but I admire the marketing acumen of a company when a random internet user can argue so passionately about eternal goodness of the company. Especially a company that's about as secretive in it's actual operations as nation-state level intelligence agencies.

Re:iPhone 7 by ubernostrum on Wednesday September 07, 2016 @06:58PM (#12448737)
In fairness, Apple mostly has an image of being "the company random cranky internet commenters accuse of horrible things, which later turns out not to have done the horrible things the cranky internet commenters accused them of".

This is a repetitive cycle. See it happening right in this thread with the "Apple invented a proprietary wireless protocol to DRM all the music, close the analog hole and make you license their tech" stuff. When... it's just Bluetooth. Same thing happened when they put the microphone and volume controls in the iPhone earbuds; people said it was a way to insert a secret "DRM chip" and force only Apple-approved headphones to be able to listen to music.

So if nothing else, the weight of history is against your "just did this to charge people money" argument. Plus, y'know, the adapter's literally included in the box.

Re:iPhone 7 by chetanahuja on Thursday September 08, 2016 @07:14PM (#12458299)
weight of history is against your "just did this to charge people money" argument

I had no comment on any of that. In fact I started my comment with "I have no comment on how Apple actually works or doesn't work"

Re:iPhone 7 by eridius on Wednesday September 07, 2016 @05:47PM (#12448101)
> eternal goodness of the company

Who's talking about goodness? I'm talking about the values that Apple has, and how your claim is a gross violation of those values. I didn't say Apple was "good", however you want to define that. User experience is but one facet of the whole, though it's an important one. And if you're trying to dismiss my arguments on the ground that I'm a "random internet user", then you have to dismiss literally every single comment made in this thread, or any HN thread, including yours.

Re:iPhone 7 by intoverflow2 on Thursday September 08, 2016 @07:18AM (#12451949)
> Apple would never in a million years make a user-hostile decision like this simply to collect royalties

Why doesn't they Macbook ship with the dongle to connect it to HDMI screens and regular USB then? Why does that dongle cost almost $100?

Tim Cook's Apple is VERY MUCH in the business of lopping things off to just sell you an addon later.

Re:iPhone 7 by eridius on Thursday September 08, 2016 @06:08PM (#12457810)
No, the MacBook did not switch to a single USB-C port simply to sell dongles. That really makes no sense at all. Dongles are not a major revenue source for Apple. And Apple's never shipped HDMI adaptors with their products, or DVI adaptors, or anything like that. Most people don't need them. And the new USB-C Macbook isn't the first computer that would need an HDMI dongle; I think the Mac Mini is the only computer Apple has shipped with an HDMI port in a long time. It seems kind of absurd here that you're claiming the move to USB-C is somehow Tim Cook being greedy, even though one of the most common complaints about Apple is how they're using Lightning instead of USB-C. Either USB-C is a good idea or it's a bad one, you can't have it both ways. And if they didn't remove ports from the MacBook, it would still have Mini DisplayPort rather than HDMI.

Also, FWIW, I just checked Monoprice and the HDMI dongle costs $35. And Apple's own dongle (which is $79) includes more than just HDMI (it has a USB port as well, and a USB-C charging port).

Re:iPhone 7 by intoverflow2 on Friday September 09, 2016 @09:27AM (#12461935)
> I think the Mac Mini is the only computer Apple has shipped with an HDMI port in a long time.

The Macbook Pro ships with one…

Re:iPhone 7 by eridius on Friday September 09, 2016 @02:26PM (#12464821)
Oh shit, you're right. I never look at that side of my MBP, I totally thought they'd moved to Thunderbolt-only. I'm actually really surprised it still has HDMI.

Still, I think the last non-USB-C Macbook didn't have HDMI either.

Re:iPhone 7 by swift on Wednesday September 07, 2016 @08:08PM (#12449137)
I genuinely thought this comment was sarcastic at first. I completely agree that Apple is highly focused on user experience and keeping you as a customer long term rather than making a quick buck, but I have to say, I hope I don't come across as this fanatical when talking about Apple with my friends. :p