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Re:Is artificial intelligence permanently inscrutable? by semi-extrinsic on Thursday September 01, 2016 @04:12PM (#12408497)
If someone wants an analogy:

Nobody understands exactly how painkillers (aspirin, paracetamol etc.) work on the molecular level. Yet they are generally held to be quite useful.

Edit: electroconvulsive therapy is an even more extreme example; we have no clue how it works, but it's very effective on severe depression. We only know it works because some Italians back in the olden days, before ethics committees were invented, decided to electro-shock a bunch of "crazy people" to see what happened. The reason they tried it was that electroshocking of pigs for slaughter had been observed to give a temporary anaesthetic effect.

Re:Is artificial intelligence permanently inscrutable? by cscurmudgeon on Thursday September 01, 2016 @04:40PM (#12408705)
So how do we get the first sick volunteers for Dr. Neural Network?
Re:Is artificial intelligence permanently inscrutable? by jerf on Thursday September 01, 2016 @06:58PM (#12409477)
AI's been in medical diagnosis for a long time and many people have been treated by it already. There was a news article a month or two ago from IBM for using Watson to do it, and it struck me as obviously a PR piece because "an AI system diagnosed a patient" is breaking news somewhere circa 1980, not now. Its scientific content was zero.
Re:Is artificial intelligence permanently inscrutable? by DonaldFisk on Thursday September 01, 2016 @07:52PM (#12409711)
Indeed. But circa 1980 they would have been using expert systems, which typically were able to justify their reasoning.
Re:Is artificial intelligence permanently inscrutable? by cscurmudgeon on Saturday September 03, 2016 @02:41PM (#12420461)
We are talking about neural networks not general AI.
Re:Is artificial intelligence permanently inscrutable? by peterbonney on Thursday September 01, 2016 @04:18PM (#12408542)
Or: nobody understands exactly how your doctor's brain reaches its conclusion about what's wrong with you, but you still trust it.
Re:Is artificial intelligence permanently inscrutable? by cscurmudgeon on Thursday September 01, 2016 @04:39PM (#12408701)
It is not like the doctor can explain in English when you ask him for details. Not all.
Re:Is artificial intelligence permanently inscrutable? by vertex-four on Thursday September 01, 2016 @06:06PM (#12409246)
Or, to put it in other words - how your car's AI decides that there's five cars around you probably isn't that interesting. How it decides that based on its input, it should probably slam the brakes, is interesting.
Re:Is artificial intelligence permanently inscrutable? by Joof on Friday September 02, 2016 @11:37AM (#12413738)
I have a difficult time getting psychiatrists to do exactly this, so no change here in that area.