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Re:FBI says foreign hackers penetrated state election systems by thecrow1213 on Monday August 29, 2016 @09:46AM (#12381779)
But you also need to scale these systems. Paper doesn't scale
Re:FBI says foreign hackers penetrated state election systems by Retric on Monday August 29, 2016 @09:53AM (#12381824)
We did paper elections for ~100 million voters. How much more do you want to scale? Yes, it might take some time post elections to hash out results, but people don't take office the next day making that a non issue.
Re:FBI says foreign hackers penetrated state election systems by chendies on Monday August 29, 2016 @09:53AM (#12381834)
The benefit of transparent elections outweighs the costs of counting paper.

If we really wanted to do elections cheaply, we'd just hire a couple of undergrads to write a Node.js script and give polling stations some desktop PC's loaded up to the page. Would hardly cost anything. But doing elections cheaply is not the point.

Re:FBI says foreign hackers penetrated state election systems by specialist on Monday August 29, 2016 @11:57AM (#12382766)
For the USA, precinct-based paper mediated voting is the cheapest option.

We don't need PCs. Self contained scanotronic style systems (think SAT tests) work just fine. In fact, all but the largest jurisdictions (because of ballot size, complexity) could get away with manual counting.

Re:FBI says foreign hackers penetrated state election systems by pjc50 on Monday August 29, 2016 @09:59AM (#12381864)
Paper scales linearly. How it's done in the UK: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2015-england-32533064
Re:FBI says foreign hackers penetrated state election systems by coredog64 on Monday August 29, 2016 @11:00AM (#12382267)
That's cute. I'll post the same thing I post every time some non-US reader mentions how _their_ polity votes just fine with paper.

The last time I voted, I had a scantron ballot that was maybe A3 in size and needed filling both front and back. I'm probably forgetting a few offices, but I was voting for:

* President

* Federal Senator

* Federal House representative

* State Governor

* State Secretary of State

* State Senator

* State House representative

* Mayor

* City Council (slate)

* Sheriff

* State corporation commission (slate)

* Judges (slate)

* 5 or 6 ballot initiatives

* 1 or 2 local initiatives (i.e. school funding bond overrides or the like)

Re:FBI says foreign hackers penetrated state election systems by maxerickson on Monday August 29, 2016 @11:21AM (#12382430)
Are you highlighting a problem or verifying that a paper ballot worked fine?

18 US states currently do use paper ballots.

https://ballotpedia.org/Voting_equipment_by_state

Re:FBI says foreign hackers penetrated state election systems by specialist on Monday August 29, 2016 @11:59AM (#12382781)
Precincts are the smallest political jurisdiction. With poll sites, each precinct's election is administered independently. That's how paper scales.

How large is your precinct? Probably somewhere between 0 and 1000. Totally manageable.

Re:FBI says foreign hackers penetrated state election systems by AnimalMuppet on Monday August 29, 2016 @03:11PM (#12384389)
And how large is your state? 1000 precincts? So you have to add up 1000 numbers (times number of candidates). Also totally manageable.
Re:FBI says foreign hackers penetrated state election systems by pjc50 on Monday August 29, 2016 @11:20AM (#12382420)
How frequently do you get a ballot that size? Are they all on four or two year terms?
Re:FBI says foreign hackers penetrated state election systems by vowelless on Monday August 29, 2016 @09:54AM (#12381843)
Which is precisely why paper voting is advantageous. A compromised scalable system can have a much larger impact than a non scalable one.
Re:FBI says foreign hackers penetrated state election systems by drusepth on Wednesday August 31, 2016 @11:40AM (#12399098)
There's an interesting analogy to things like WMDs here. Nukes can also have a much larger impact if abused or compromised, but we still built them. I expect eventually we'll have internet voting in place regardless if the benefits outweigh the potential downsides.
Re:FBI says foreign hackers penetrated state election systems by jacobwcarlson on Monday August 29, 2016 @10:44AM (#12382155)
Population growth in the US is approaching 0.7% annually and has been declining for 2 decades. Not sure what scaling needs you foresee.
Re:FBI says foreign hackers penetrated state election systems by tromp on Monday August 29, 2016 @10:06AM (#12381902)
Fraud must NOT scale.
Re:FBI says foreign hackers penetrated state election systems by ne8il on Monday August 29, 2016 @10:18AM (#12381966)
It's not like this stuff grows on trees, after all
Re:FBI says foreign hackers penetrated state election systems by oh_sigh on Monday August 29, 2016 @02:55PM (#12384248)
Paper counting scales quite well. Infact it is trivially scalable.